[joelcolorado]

They are some bloody folks for sure. Never blink an eye.

[evgeny]

Vladimir Putin has lost many pawns: Kosovo, Iraq, the introduction of the Baltic States into the NATO, an exit of the USA from the Contract on the ABM, occurrence of the American rockets in Poland and Czechia. But he waited. The trap has been placed in Georgia - and when president Saakashvili, against councils of the USA and having broken own promises, in the silliest image has rushed to South Ossetia, having given armies the order to shoot, cripple and kill people in huge scales, Russia was ready.

To be covered with Olympic games counted not only Saakashvili. In the Kremlin too knew that Bush looks basketball; they understood and more serious thing - that the American army is too strongly connected by Iraq and Afghanistan. And since that moment as through the tunnel the Russian tank brigade was rolled in South Ossetia on full speed, Russia has not made any incorrect course. That there Bush yesterday has declared, it is already unimportant: For five days Moscow has transformed a silly error of the opponent supported by the West, into the catastrophic certificate of powerlessness of the West, its incompleteness and a habit to double standards in an estimation of the national sovereignty (for example, Iraq).

Blow was short, rigid, destructive - sufficient that Georgians - thanks to global TV this beating saw all world - have begun to panic and humiliating ran. Blow has been put such that, on the one hand, it was sick - but that at the same time the world would not rise on racks a wave of fair anger. Time of the announcement of cease-fire, all in some hours has been very precisely chosen before president Sarkozy could express anger of the West. Moscow has clearly let know that the initiative still remains in her hands. And, despite periodic infringements of an armistice - from both, by the way, the parties, - Russia has successfully denied all charges of Georgia that it wages with it war on utter annihilation. The answer is at Moscow even on the Georgian public relations - last weapon which has remained with Tbilisi. You only look that Georgia in South Ossetia (and also in Abkhazia) has made.

The national sovereignty, speak? Recollect branch of Kosovo from Serbia. Who there has told ' under a false pretext '? Perhaps to it to remind, how Ronald Reagan has intruded in Grenada for ' rescue ' the American medical students? And that to ' angry hails of the West ', that, know, there such confusion that anything actually it is not audible. The lesson is given to everyone. To the former republics of Soviet Union - do not forget geography. The NATO - still is wishing to accept in the Alliance caucasus with all its vendettas? Tbilisi - and is necessary to you the president who has finished you to all it? And to Washington - well as, the voice of Russia still means nothing? You want - you do not want, so. And it is a lot of.

[ir290762]

NATO is building up a missile strike force in the Black Sea. The group includes MCFaul with 50 Tomahawk missiles on board, German destroyer Lubeck, Polish destroyer General Polaski, Spanish destroyer Admiral Juan de Bourbon and US coast guard ship Dallas.

Other ships are concentrated in the Northern part of the Black Sea with 64 anti-ship Harpoon missiles and 8 helicopters. MCFaul is unloading in Batumi and Dallas is heading also to Batumi.

[evgeny]

NATO is building up a missile strike force in the Black Sea. The group includes MCFaul with 50 Tomahawk missiles on board, German destroyer Lubeck, Polish destroyer General Polaski, Spanish destroyer Admiral Juan de Bourbon and US coast guard ship Dallas.
Other ships are concentrated in the Northern part of the Black Sea with 64 anti-ship Harpoon missiles and 8 helicopters. MCFaul is unloading in Batumi and Dallas is heading also to Batumi.

The leader of the Black Sea fleet (ЧФ) Russia - a rocket cruiser "Moscow" - leaves today Sevastopol in a direction of Novorossisk, have informed in a fleet staff.
The reasons of an exit of a cruiser to coast of Russia in a staff of fleet have not explained. On August, 23rd the cruiser "Moscow" has come back to Sevastopol after performance of fighting problems at coast of Abkhazia.

[Alcassin]

NATO is building up a missile strike force in the Black Sea. The group includes MCFaul with 50 Tomahawk missiles on board, German destroyer Lubeck, Polish destroyer General Polaski, Spanish destroyer Admiral Juan de Bourbon and US coast guard ship Dallas.
Other ships are concentrated in the Northern part of the Black Sea with 64 anti-ship Harpoon missiles and 8 helicopters. MCFaul is unloading in Batumi and Dallas is heading also to Batumi.

WTF? This piece of rusting junk on the Black Sea, what is it doing there?

[dissident]

Even if the McFaul launches all 50 of its missiles at Russian positions it will only succeed in getting sent to the Black Sea floor.

There has to be a "moral" pretext for NATO intervention. The Georgian army has already seized a South Ossetian village and is most likely trying to stage "evidence" of a "Russian atrocity" against poor defenseless Georgian civilians (the bodies are waiting to be placed in the right photogenic positions).

[evgeny]

[evgeny]

[ir290762]

The moral pretext will be found in the next few days. Saakashvili is amassing troops again at the border with S.Ossetia.

[evgeny]

Quite a funny video.

http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=39823

Good one.
They just corrupted "Crooks and Liars"

the Corrupt Bastards Club "Bush & Company"


Why We Kill People?
We are Democracy, We Need That Oil .

[Roccland]

http://www.kp.ru/daily/24150.4/366391/

The U.S. hands over military secrets to Moscow
Russia's military is surprised by the Georgian army's negligence
Nikolay Barsegov, Author's photo. — 21.08.2008
An elite group of Georgian special forces drove into the "Russian-occupied" Poti on 5 U.S. military Hummers this week. The vehicles were carrying explosives, firearms and top-secret satellite technology — the pride of NATO generals.

The Russian military learned the special forces were approaching the city long before their arrival. Their movement was detected by satellite and reports had been received from local Georgians angered by Saakashvili's recent military actions.

According to Russian officials, they didn't expect that a key unit of Georgian intelligence trained by top NATO specialists would drive directly into their hands. The Georgian officers were overtaken without causalities.

"We knew there was a lot of negligence going on in the Georgian army, but not to this degree," one well-known, highly-positioned Russian general told me, who didn't want to reveal he is currently stationed in Georgia.

There were also three Arabs among the 20-odd Georgians. The Russian military is interrogating the officers who say they didn't intend to blow anything up. All the artillery in the vehicle was there by chance, they say. They forgot to unload the Hummers before departing. They had arrived together in such a large number to carefully study the situation in the port city.

[joelcolorado]

Its goofey some folks just love a good fight and most of it is race or religion related. Ethnic cleansing is such a weird thing to me. Course the Irish killed one another for YEARS..whats with that...I NEVER got that. I thot they served the same GOD for petes sake.
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[dissident]

NATO "humanitarians" in action:

Grdelica first strike
Grdelica second strike






Note how the video has been sped up at least three times if not five, even the bullet train in Japan doesn't go this fast. This retarded "it was too fast for us" excuse is what NATO invoked afterwards. Gee that must justify the second strike then, eh? Of course the bootlick totalitarian western media (the farther west you go the worse it gets) broadcast the excuse as full vindication of this brazen attack on civilians. Compare to all the whining about the Georgian railway bridge.

[evgeny]

Today Victor Janukovich has urged colleagues to consider the problem at the first session of participation of Ukraine in the conflict on caucasus. "The first question we will put are an intervention of Ukraine. On what bases who conferred such powers? What gives to the country participation on the party of one of the clashing countries?
It goes on advantage to the country or not?" - was indignant main "регионал". The day before he also declared that Yushchenko had no right to express Saakashvili's support on behalf of the Ukrainian state." Our country has come to be in very difficult situation as a result of statements of a management of the state, - has explained Janukovich. - Will and efforts of authorities in power Ukraine have made actually the participant of the military conflict in South Ossetia.
As a result, without having the slightest possibility to affect a course of events, Ukraine has created intensity on own borders: there was something which are not giving in to mind. Russia from the friendly state and the strategic partner with whom Ukraine unite the general centuries-old history, have suddenly transformed into the enemy ".

[evgeny]

Russia does not see prospects of the introduction into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the near future. The first vice-premier of the Russian Federation Igor Shuvalov has addressed with such statement to journalists.

On August, 25th the government presidium has supported the offer on an exit of Russia from a number of the agreements concluded within the limits of negotiating process on an accession to WTO. We will remind that similar agreements share on two types. The first are documents, across which Russian Federations already bears legal obligations. The second - the reports, which official action begins with the moment of the introduction of the country in the organisation and which some points Russia has voluntary started to execute from the moment of signing of documents. According to Shuvalov, the government of the Russian Federation intends to begin immediately negotiations on an exit from the first group of agreements. As to the second group as obligations on it have been accepted voluntary, it is enough to Russia to advise partners of the termination of their execution.

[evgeny]

Quite a funny video.

http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=39823

Good one.
They just corrupted "Crooks and Liars"

the Corrupt Bastards Club "Bush & Company"


Why We Kill People?
We are Democracy, We Need That Oil .

George Bush has urged not to recognise Dmitry Medvedev independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as the independent, sovereign and independent states. The American president considers that the Russian leader "should not recognise these separative regions". Bush has noticed that Abkhazia and South Ossetia remain a part of territory of Georgia, having added that the border of Georgia deserves the same respect, as well as border any of other state, including Russia.

[the48thronin]

The death toll of around 2000 refers to Ossetians, not Georgians. 30000 misplaced refers also to Ossetians, not Georgians.

What proof exists that 2000 Ossetians were killed by Georgian forces during the raid of Tskhinvali? What happened to all the bodies? Were they carted off by Russian forces?

Proof.....propaganda doesn't rely on proof, just repetition.

[Micki]

The death toll of around 2000 refers to Ossetians, not Georgians. 30000 misplaced refers also to Ossetians, not Georgians.

What proof exists that 2000 Ossetians were killed by Georgian forces during the raid of Tskhinvali? What happened to all the bodies? Were they carted off by Russian forces?

Proof.....propaganda doesn't rely on proof, just repetition.

What do you expect? A pile of bodies in the city square?
Mass grave?
If civilians are killed their families would most likely want to take care of the bodies.
Real body count would require collation of figures from some official records if such exists. if you start shelling a town it is however reasonable to expect civilian casualties. And given that there is no debate whether Georgia this did or not, the only question is numbers. Perhaps some of you think that 2000, 500 or "just" 100 dead wasn't enough to justify Russian response.
The number of dead I would say is purely incidental. It depends on where the shells happen to hit. If you start shelling a town like Georgia did it is a crime independently of the number of cassualties.

[dissident]

So, according to another NATO drone all of the Ossetians are liars but CNN, BBC and Bush (whom they so dutifully show every chance they get) are holy truth tellers. The American media is the one that repeats the same lie over and over again: Russia attacked first and Saakashvili defended his freedom loving country from barbaric brutality. There are so many bodies of Georgians being shown in the western media, there's like thousands of them or something.....

[retiredguy]

Maybe I'm nitpicking, but both the Economist and the WSJ have reported that the Georgians fired the first shots.

Of course, they tend to diminish that fact and concentrate on the Russian response.

It was an incredibly stupid move on the part of the Georgians and they must accept the consequences of their actions. Another example of fine foreign policy work by the Bush administration.

I truly hope this incident does mark the beginning of the next Cold War. It would be bad for all sides.