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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 19:16:56

Magus wrote:why don't you give me a better solution to Ethiopia's problems, lateralus, the correct solution? Because it certainly IS NOT the United States backing Ethiopia and warlords who are more muderous than the ICU ever would have been?


I thought we were talking about Somalia not Ethiopia? :) I get so easily confused.

Let's just lump it all together as the Horn of Africa for arguments sake.

For one thing it would be hard to tell just how far the ICU would have gone had they not been removed from power. One day it's soccer, the next day kids can't fly kites, and the next day hands are being chopped off starving people for grabbing a few grains of UN rice. Look to Pakistan/ Afghanistan for glimpses of what 'might of been'. Better yet cast an eye to the left on any world map and take a good long hard look at the Sudan.

As to solving the regions problems I hardly think that I have the solution. If I did then that Nobel Prize would look great hanging over my toilet.

The correct solution would have to involve the population problem of the region. The Horn is arid and receives very little rain during the monsoon, with the exception of parts of Ethiopia, because the wind blows in from the west and loses moisture. So the area really can't sustain a very large population to begin with. It is no laughing matter, actually, that the population of this part of the world needs to come to terms with its surroundings.
Education is always a good place to start and I'm not talking about Pakistani style madrassahs here, but real centres of learning where religion is not the mainstay of the cirriculum. It's hard to have a functioning government when you have no basic education system that produces quality leadership. The only leaders these days are the ones who demonstrate good marksmanship with an AK-47.
War is a mainstay of the region because ethnic groups compete for resources and living space, which goes back to the population problem. By 2050, at the current pace, the population of Ethiopia will overtake Nigera's. Scary if you think about it.

Cure the population problem, like most people in this thread mentioned. That's your solution. You can do it with education, the gun, starvation, or an act of God, but if they don't solve this particular problem in this particular part of the world then good luck in ever seeing peace in the Horn.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Magus » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 19:51:47

The correct solution would have to involve the population problem of the region. The Horn is arid and receives very little rain during the monsoon, with the exception of parts of Ethiopia, because the wind blows in from the west and loses moisture. So the area really can't sustain a very large population to begin with. It is no laughing matter, actually, that the population of this part of the world needs to come to terms with its surroundings.


Is the horn in overshoot? I'm not sure, and that really wasn't what was on the top of my mind when I started this topic. This current conflict going on in the horn is decidedly more geo-political than having anything to do with food shortages. Basically, the christians in Ethiopia don't want a stable Somaila, and neither does the U.S. government.

It was my understanding that many of these people live in small, rural clans - not much potential for population growth there. Along with the incessant warfare that's been going on there, and I be worring more about China or India than this region of the world for a population crisis. And there are certainly better solutions to population control than mass genocide.

As for malnutrition, that has as much to do with there industry being completely destroyed as it does with any population problem. If the country were to stablize at all, I'm sure it would be possible for Somalia to get its population under control in a humane fashion. And that is why I was thusly pissed when the Ethiopians came in with their U.S. backers and destroyed the fragile order that was being created in the name of the "War on Terror."

Now do you understand where I am coming from? In the end, I think we all agree on what needs to be done in the region.

But I am growing weary of this topic, and now something more important and potentially disaterous is emerging in the Persian Gulf. You may or may not have heard that the aircraft carrier group that was deployed of the coast of Somalia by the U.S. to assist the Ethiopians through airstrikes has been redeployed with several other carriers and escorts of the coast of Iran.

Combined with information on another thread stating that the United States plans to attack Iran on Good Friday, I have come to the conclusion that we are about to see some serious shit.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 20:56:43

Magus wrote:Is the horn in overshoot? I'm not sure

More than 2 million face famine in Somalia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/ ... 63,00.html

Somalia could relive the devastating famine that claimed 300,000 lives in the early 1990s unless emergency relief arrives soon, a senior United Nations official warned yesterday.
But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 23:12:38

One can only hope they don't get the two groups mixed up....

Ethiopia to kill tens of thousands of stray dogs. Officials plan to use poison meat in effort to eradicate rabies in capital
ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia - Authorities plan to kill tens of thousands of stray dogs in the Ethiopian capital using strychnine-laced meat, saying they want to eradicate rabies before next week's celebration of the Coptic millennium.
The latest plan follows an announcement by a government-funded private organization last week that it would move thousands of homeless people from the capital to the countryside ahead of the celebration, promising to help them with food, shelter and medicine.

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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Offshore » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 02:10:48

All I need to know about Somalia I learned from Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

The Somali terrorists should all drop dead God-willing.

God bless Ethiopia.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Ebyss » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 08:36:22

gg3 wrote:SeldomSeen gets a "posting of the year" for the above.


Ditto that. How did Nostramagus not see that coming?
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Alcassin » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 09:40:42

Offshore wrote:God bless Ethiopia.


LMAO

Last time in '70 US backed Somalia in aggressive war against Ethiopia. From that war Somalian economy never recovered, this is one the main causes of the radical islamism there.

State of Somalia collapsed afterwards. And now nothing is changing, war against islamism by killing hungry soldiers/warriors will not solve any problem, ultimately it only helps radical islamists.

I didn't see terrorists from islamic religous state of Brunei, I didn't see millionaires fighting in trenches. Poverty and hunger lead to wars in 3rd world. But it never gets appropriate coverage.

As usual people die, few become rich, the rest is blind.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 15:32:13

Alcassin wrote:
I didn't see terrorists from islamic religous state of Brunei, I didn't see millionaires fighting in trenches.


There are plenty of terrorists from the wealthy Islamic religous state of Saudi Arabia, and there are plenty of wealthy to middle-class terrorists. For instance the 9/11 attackers were middle class and college educated, and bin Laden himself is part of the billionaire bin Laden clan. 8)
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 15:36:19

Is it possible that man's inherent tendency towards violence is also one of mother nature's weapons to keep populations in check ? We like to think of violence as something man perfected on his own , but perhaps along with our large brains evolution also inserted a pre-disposition towards violence to check the overshoot that would be an inevitable result of intelligence . We've mastered everything in this world except our instinct to breed beyond sustainability. It seems violent tendancies occur naturally among a huge swath of humanity , mistake or evolutionary design?
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 15:50:05

Magus wrote:Yes, there were diffently authouritarian tendencies in the ICU.
They ought to drop a chicken on your head for posting this. diffently?
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Bas » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 16:02:04

Offshore wrote:All I need to know about Somalia I learned from Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

The Somali terrorists should all drop dead God-willing.

God bless Ethiopia.


I must say I'm impressed you know her and that you value Dutch opinion so high, buttah, going on a single source isn't exactly "scientific"
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 16:02:05

jboogy wrote:Is it possible that man's inherent tendency towards violence is also one of mother nature's weapons to keep populations in check ? We like to think of violence as something man perfected on his own , but perhaps along with our large brains evolution also inserted a pre-disposition towards violence to check the overshoot that would be an inevitable result of intelligence . We've mastered everything in this world except our instinct to breed beyond sustainability. It seems violent tendancies occur naturally among a huge swath of humanity , mistake or evolutionary design?
Interesting question. I think mankind evolved as an entropy enhancing creature. The violence thing is natural to all creatures; it's how they eat. But we have shown ourselves to be the greatest entropy generators ever to walk the Earth, so maybe that's why we are here. Entropy is the direction of the Universe, sort of like water running down hill. It finds the shortest path. In this analogy, we are the shortest path.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 16:31:35

You don't differentiate between killing to eat and man's willingness to kill for any reason ?Or no reason at all ? I was violent as a young man , (I blame it on the crowd I hung with) , I have no desire to inflict pain or injury on anyone now , yet I enjoy meat and have no problem with hunting as long as you eat what you kill. Why has age taken my desire to fight other men ?but not my love of meat ?
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby holmes » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 17:13:03

The "its all Americas fault" crowd are mentally ill. It is created by pussies insulated from reality due to oil. Oil is there drug that keeps them safe and secure from the big bad world out there. Take that away they will understand more about reality. It truly is a dementia. Sociopathic. Phsycotic. delusional.
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby Bas » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 17:18:34

holmes wrote:The "its all Americas fault" crowd are mentally ill. It is created by pussies insulated from reality due to oil. Oil is there drug that keeps them safe and secure from the big bad world out there. Take that away they will understand more about reality. It truly is a dementia. Sociopathic. Phsycotic. delusional.


Is there such a thing as the "its all America's fault" crowd? I think that's just in your mind, friendt. However, since you brought it up' America itself is the biggest junk for oil there is, fueling it's, and your delusions of grandeur holmes. Take it away, and America is nothing. Your words. (oh and ofcourse that applies to Europe too)
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Re: The Gates of Hell have opened in Ethiopia

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 17:28:04

Holmes quote:
"blah, blah ,blah, oil , pussies in oil , drugs are big , bad blah , i'm psychotic and delusional BLAH!!!!"

well said Holmes , only a majority of your post was incoherent babbling this time , I actually understood your first sentence.
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