[freddyseven]

I fail to undcerstand the significance of global warming.

I would rather have it a bit warmer when I am living in the woods, when oil run supply shuts down, sporadically, lines form and the wars start,it will not matter wether it is warm or cold, but leaving a ruined city on foot is better in warm weather than snow.

If we put in Kyoto and 55 MPH our oil use will drop 1-3 %

at peak powerdown post holocost the oil decrease in usage will be > 95%
The globe will cool for the next 200 years from nuclear winter. no big deal this global warming, it is a red herring.

[Homesteader]

I fail to undcerstand the significance of global warming..

So how soon after birth were you dropped on your head?

[mercurygirl]

I think the "global warming" scare is simplistic propaganda. It is clear that we are harming our environment, but the biosphere is complex and we don't entirely understand it. We do know that there are feedback mechanisms and that equilibrium is sought. It's possible that the warming caused by our race to overshoot could lead to a correction in the form of an ice age. That would be something to worry about. It is also possible that the cycles of the solar system determine our general temperature.

[zzzpeakoil]

Global Warming is a scare tactic used by US to prevent China and India from enjoying a rich lifestyle that US people are enjoying.

All experts agree that there is no global warming. Rather the next terrible ice age is right around the corner.

[patience]

Ice Age? Is that why the Artic ice is melting? And Chile is buying diesel fuel because the shrunken glaciers haven't supplied enough meltwater for hydro power. Read that on the news page here. You might want to check out a book called "Thin Ice". Amazon has it.

[freddyseven]

I fail to undcerstand the significance of global warming.

I would rather have it a bit warmer when I am living in the woods, when oil run supply shuts down, sporadically, lines form and the wars start,it will not matter wether it is warm or cold, but leaving a ruined city on foot is better in warm weather than snow.

If we put in Kyoto and 55 MPH our oil use will drop 1-3 %

at peak powerdown post holocost the oil decrease in usage will be > 95%
The globe will cool for the next 200 years from nuclear winter. no big deal this global warming, it is a red herring.

So how soon after birth were you dropped on your head?

And you always brought an apple for your teacher everyday, right?

[freddyseven]

[quote="mercurygirl"] we are harming our environment... quote]

Ya think? Burning 82 million barrels of oil per day has been known to cause pollution.

[jbrovont]

"Global warming" is a little bit of a misleading term. It's more like "global climate change." Your personal survival isn't so dependant on the ambient temperature that you'll die from 2 or 3C difference, but stuff way down the food chain will. If enough of those tiny bacteria, plants and little creatures die, the things that eat them won't have anything to eat, and then they'll die. So on and so forth until there isn't anything for you to eat.

You also have to worry about climate change allowing invasive species you aren't so good at surviving infiltrating your eco system. Little things like swarms of biting flies, mosquitos and locusts. Things that bring bacteria with them that you have no immunity to.

Climate change is also making fresh water sources change, and if you happen to be out in the woods, you may very well be sitting on a future desert. Unfortunately we can't tell for sure when or where droughts will happen as the globe warms.

The oceans are in trouble too. Dying coral reefs, bacterial and algal blooms that suck the oxygen out of the water create big dead zones where larger sea life can't live, so everything in the water dies. That's a food source issue for humans, but if it happens in enough places, it can release gasses from decomposition changing the local atmosphere.

I could go on, but the key here isn't that "life will continue and it will be a little warmer, and a few species will die off." All species on the planet form an interconnected system, and when that is disturbed, the entire system must rearrange in order to find new balance. With all our technology and ability to survive in different climates, if we disturb the system too much, the only thing crawling around on the surface of the earth for the next 10 million years might just be ants and cockroaches eating moss and algae.

That's why global climate change is significant.

I fail to undcerstand the significance of
global warming.

I would rather have it a bit warmer when I am living in the woods, when oil run supply shuts down, sporadically, lines form and the wars start,it will not matter wether it is warm or cold, but leaving a ruined city on foot is better in warm weather than snow.

If we put in Kyoto and 55 MPH our oil use will drop 1-3 %

at peak powerdown post holocost the oil decrease in usage will be > 95%
The globe will cool for the next 200 years from nuclear winter. no big deal this global warming, it is a red herring.

[MonteQuest]

I fail to undcerstand the significance of global warming.

That's because you fail to grasp that it is global climate change, not warming that is going to happen.

The greenhouse effect brings on climate change.

Warming, cooling, drought, climatic disasters, crop loss, etc.

[freddyseven]

I think that is wrong.
the air is getting colder everywhere and the seasons are delayed around the world.

We are missing something, obviously the scientists are wrong again.

[freddyseven]

Ice Age? Is that why the Artic ice is melting? And Chile is buying diesel fuel because the shrunken glaciers haven't supplied enough meltwater for hydro power. Read that on the news page here. You might want to check out a book called "Thin Ice". Amazon has it.

The arctic ice is not melting because of temperature, it is below zeroe there comprende?

the sun is radiating the ice with infrared heat through the ozone hole it has nothing to do with global warming.
nest c pas?

[Zardoz]

Wow. Some of the very dumbest posts I've ever seen on this forum are posted in this short little thread. The title has apparently attracted some very fuzzy thinkers.

[Zardoz]

The arctic ice is not melting because of temperature, it is below zeroe there comprende?

the sun is radiating the ice with infrared heat through the ozone hole it has nothing to do with global warming.
nest c pas?

Oh my God...

The balmy weather today on the north coast of Alaska

It was 65 Fahrenheit there today, you pitiful dweeb! Jesus Christ, do you know anything at all about anything, or do you just make a complete fool of yourself on Internet forums as some sort of hobby?

[Fredrik]

All experts agree that there is no global warming.

I'd love to know what media you got your information from - or your definition of "expert".

Even the denialists accept that the tempereatures are rising, they just claim that humans are not to blame.

Wow. Some of the very dumbest posts I've ever seen on this forum are posted in this short little thread.

With the recent influx of new po.com members, the discussions have definitely gotten more lively and entertaining. I don't mean to be condescending though. I like these challenging, even crazy, views rising against our doomerist dogma (even though they usually get thrashed).

[Homesteader]

I think that is wrong.
the air is getting colder everywhere and the seasons are delayed around the world.

We are missing something, obviously the scientists are wrong again.

You are missing your cerebrum, you know, the big front part of the human brain that controls intelligence.

You never did answer my first question. . . ."How soon after birth were you dropped on your head?"

It is getting clear that you are a former troll reincarnated as a current troll.

[manu]

I think the "global warming" scare is simplistic propaganda. It is clear that we are harming our environment, but the biosphere is complex and we don't entirely understand it. We do know that there are feedback mechanisms and that equilibrium is sought. It's possible that the warming caused by our race to overshoot could lead to a correction in the form of an ice age. That would be something to worry about. It is also possible that the cycles of the solar system determine our general temperature.

Yea, let all the fish and other animals die off. No problemo. Not to mention the plants. We don't need them. We can always eat each other. All the plastic in the oceans, it will just wash away. No harm done. The fish will all die anyway. Only sooner. Come to think of it, we will all die anyway too, only sooner.
Listen lemmings and you will hear what sounds like the sea waves hitting the rocks. It's getting closer. ABC has warned you.

[Judgie]

I think that is wrong.
the air is getting colder everywhere and the seasons are delayed around the world.

We are missing something, obviously the scientists are wrong again.

Peer reviewed Journal Articles from credible sources (this does NOT include the mainstream media) to support the above quoted claims please.

[Judgie]

How about this:

Acknowledge it, Get smart, Get active. If we take action, change our ways, move to a stable sustainable population and economic base, and it turns out that it was all unnecessary and climate change was just poppie-cock, then we can just shrug, laugh and know that we have a cleaner, brighter, better world for our children and descendants to grow up in.

Doesn't that sound better than denying it all, not doing anything, then crying out for help "oh god will someone please help us!" at the last moment when we realise we're in irreversible shiite? kind of like a panicking herd of sheep, or sheeple.............

[BigTex]

Hollywood should make a movie based upon the story in the OP and some of the responses so far.

They could call it "Escape to Mythville."

[Mesuge]

As shown in the "Life After People - The History Channel" - once the psycho-monkey is out of the picture the earth reverts itself pretty fast into glorious garden again.

Now the only important question is how much we will be kicking around while going down, the more prolongated the process the more likelyhood of more ecosystem destruction and longer "self-recultivation".

There is a bunch of "doom-scientists" who at the moment only "theoretically" campaign for the voluntary ending of this experiment called humanity. It is possible and perhaps likely that some fringe from this group will pull the trigger, there are some germ specialists among them.

I'm not advocating either way being kind of agnostic on this issue, just mentioning it to deepen the spectrum of possible outcomes here..