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The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Jan 2023, 22:18:15

theluckycountry wrote:Australian crime is on the increase but it's nothing like in the US.

Two teenagers have been charged with murder after 41-year-old Emma Lovell died after being stabbed in the chest at her home in North Lakes on Boxing Day.
Police said a scuffle broke out on to the front porch, where Lovell, a mother of two, suffered a stab wound to her chest. Lovell’s husband, Lee, 43, suffered a non-life-threatening wound to his back.


For lack of a shoe a horse was lost, for lack of pick handle a wife was lost.


Unfortunate. But think about it, when sheep get into scuffles, the damage isn't near like it is when wolves do.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 24 Aug 2023, 18:53:30

I posted this elsewhere but I thought it belongs here too because it shows one of the vulnerabilities of suburbs. Fire! In a city fires never get out of hand unless there are 1000 B29's dropping incendiary bombs. Rural homes likewise are typically protected because farmers are not stupid regarding nature like suburbanites are. They clear back around their homes, clear trees and keep the grass low.

In deadly Maui fires, many had no warning and no way out. Those who dodged a barricade survived

As flames tore through a West Maui neighborhood, car after car of fleeing residents headed for the only paved road out of town in a desperate race for safety. And car after car was turned back toward the rapidly spreading wildfire by a barricade blocking access to Highway 30.

One family swerved around the barricade and was safe in a nearby town 48 minutes later, another drove their four-wheel-drive car down a dirt road to escape. One man took a dirt road uphill, climbing above the fire and watching as Lahaina burned... But dozens of others found themselves caught in a hellscape, their cars jammed together on a narrow road, surrounded by flames on three sides and the rocky ocean waves on the fourth. Some died in their cars, while others tried to run for safety... The road closures — some because of the fire, some because of downed power lines — contributed to making historic Lahaina the site of the deadliest U.S. wildfire in more than a century.

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Take note your suburban dwellers. You are clearly not important in the eyes of the government.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby Peak_Yeast » Fri 25 Aug 2023, 06:20:18

Take note your suburban dwellers. You are clearly not important in the eyes of the government.


A humans importance is inversely proportional to the amount of humans...

If you have 2 pigs the loss of one pig is a big deal.
If you have 2000 pigs its just part of the day to lose a pig - you dont fucking care.
If you have 2000 too many pigs you are happy to lose a pig. That is where we are now.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 25 Aug 2023, 10:27:42

Peak_Yeast wrote:If you have 2000 too many pigs you are happy to lose a pig. That is where we are now.


Back in the early 2000's a poster by the addy of Hypertiger said,
"We are fast approaching the elimination of all opposition to the elimination of all opposition loop"
He was out there, and a well before his time, but I understood exactly what he was saying. It was nothing unique, just a comment on the recurring behavior of psychotics like Hitler and Stalin, and any modern plutocracy you can think of. The cancel culture was a step in that direction.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Fri 25 Aug 2023, 11:53:31

theluckycountry wrote:I posted this elsewhere but I thought it belongs here too because it shows one of the vulnerabilities of suburbs. Fire! In a city fires never get out of hand unless there are 1000 B29's dropping incendiary bombs. Rural homes likewise are typically protected because farmers are not stupid regarding nature like suburbanites are. They clear back around their homes, clear trees and keep the grass low.
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Take note your suburban dwellers. You are clearly not important in the eyes of the government.


You appear to be suffering from fear of being cancelled.

Firestorms were a feature of city fires before modern fire departments.

High winds and drought due to climate change are the cause of suburban fire storms (once the houses start going, they are the combustible materials that promulgate the fire).

Rural residents typically have already razed all the vegetation for agriculture and the worse they can get are dust storms.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 25 Aug 2023, 16:52:09

Peak_Yeast wrote:
Take note your suburban dwellers. You are clearly not important in the eyes of the government.


A humans importance is inversely proportional to the amount of humans...

If you have 2 pigs the loss of one pig is a big deal.
If you have 2000 pigs its just part of the day to lose a pig - you dont fucking care.
If you have 2000 too many pigs you are happy to lose a pig. That is where we are now.


Extending your analogy Framers are a very small percentage of the total population and each one you lose might be a vital link in the food chain keeping you alive so losing them is a far bigger concern than loosing a dentist or a factory worker you can replace in a year or a few weeks of training respectively. Dentists are important for long term health but lose half of them and while replacements are training your care is delayed, not ended. Lose half the farmers and you are facing a very serious famine with all its unpleasant side effects like revolt of the masses.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 25 Aug 2023, 18:21:34

jedrider wrote:
Firestorms were a feature of city fires before modern fire departments.


Yes, well thanks for the history lesson, but this a discussion about modern times, modern cities and their suburban sprawl.

High winds and drought due to climate change are the cause of suburban fire storms


And there were never high winds and drought before climate change? You seem to be trying to bash square pegs into round holes?
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 26 Aug 2023, 12:36:13

theluckycountry wrote:And there were never high winds and drought before climate change? You seem to be trying to bash square pegs into round holes?


How did Maui even happen after all we know about suburban wildfire?

Beats me! I thought EVERYONE knew about the dangers of high winds and climate change :-D
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Aug 2023, 14:03:04

The entire premise of this thread has turned out to be wrong.

Rather than Suburbia dying, we are seeing urban areas dying in modern America.

In city after city, the downtown areas are being abandoned to the homeless, drug addicts and drug dealers, and criminals and thieves.

In city after city the downtown hotels and businesses are closing, and corporations are moving their staff out of the huge office buildings because it just too dangerous for their employees to get to work.

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Downtown San Francisco is overrun by the homeless, drug addicts and drug dealers, and criminals and thieves

Rather then the death of Suburia, we are seeing the death of cities.

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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 26 Aug 2023, 14:53:49

Plantagenet wrote:The entire premise of this thread has turned out to be wrong.

Rather than Suburbia dying, we are seeing urban areas dying in modern America.


Yes you've hit on something here Plant, something that went right under our radar. While we were focusing on the suburbs, and pointing out their obvious shortcomings, behind our back the city centers were collapsing at a furious rate.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sat 26 Aug 2023, 15:05:26

Suburbs did turn out to be a lot more sustainable than folks gave them credit for; people assumed it would be too expensive to get food and fuel to them; but it turns out its easier to build out distribution centers in suburban areas and then feed into the cities from them than it is to distribute from within the city core.

thats my hunch anyway.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby kublikhan » Sat 26 Aug 2023, 15:48:33

Plantagenet wrote:The entire premise of this thread has turned out to be wrong.

Rather than Suburbia dying, we are seeing urban areas dying in modern America.

In city after city, the downtown areas are being abandoned to the homeless, drug addicts and drug dealers, and criminals and thieves.

In city after city the downtown hotels and businesses are closing, and corporations are moving their staff out of the huge office buildings because it just too dangerous for their employees to get to work.

Downtown San Francisco is overrun by the homeless, drug addicts and drug dealers, and criminals and thieves

Rather then the death of Suburia, we are seeing the death of cities.

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You can thank misguided polices from the left for that. People call for decriminalizing theft, decriminalizing drugs, defunding the police, and then act surprised when crime goes up and law and order goes down. After stores get stolen from time and time again, they eventually pack up their bags and leave town. Then they get accused of "abandoning the city." I would say the city abandoned them by leaving them at the mercy of thieves.

In recent years, San Francisco, once praised as a vibrant retail hub, has witnessed a steady stream of residents, retail stores and companies packing up and leaving the city. Experts say the reasons why should alarm all Californians as fatally-flawed policies that led to San Francisco’s decline are actually now being implemented in cities across the state. A recent study from The San Francisco Standard shows that from 2019 to May 2023, San Francisco witnessed a sharp decline in its retail landscape. In Union Square alone, the number of operating stores decreased from 207 to a mere 107 and now has a shocking 47% vacancy rate. In addition to the shocking data on retail closures, San Francisco is also grappling with an unprecedented office vacancy crisis.

“The overwhelming facts prove businesses and residents are fleeing San Francisco due to the crime wave and a spike in homelessness,” says Carl DeMaio, Chairman of Reform California. “And you can blame the liberal politicians in San Francisco for enacting fatally-flawed laws that enable crime and promote homelessness.” San Francisco’s crime and homeless rates are higher than most national and state averages, which DeMaio says is a result of these failed policies. According to the FBI Report of Offenses Known to Law Enforcement, in 2019, the city’s violent crime rate was 76.49% higher than the national average and the property crime rate was 160.94% the national average. As for homelessness, the Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that the Bay Area’ homeless population has increased 35% since 2019. "Moreover, San Francisco has always been expensive so you can’t say that is behind the recent exodus, but it certainly doesn’t help keep people in the city when they ask the common-sense question ‘why are we paying more to be victims of crime and be exposed to so much filth." “San Francisco’s high cost of operating and theft makes it harder to even reach break-even as stores are getting ransacked by criminals and burglars on a daily basis.”

The escalating levels of crime and drug use in San Francisco have forced various retail chains, including Target, Walgreens, and Nordstrom, to make the shocking decision to close many of their stores. The rampant criminal activity and pervasive drug issues have created an unsafe environment that not only endangers employees and customers but also hampers the profitability and sustainability of these businesses.

Retail Stores that Closed in San Francisco:
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Old Navy
Anthropologie
Amazon Go
Whole Foods
Office Depot
Nordstrom
H&M
The RealReal
CB2
Banana Republic
Athleta
The Container Store
Crate & Barrel
Uniqlo
Gap

Companies Moving Out of San Francisco:
Meta
Twitter
Snap
PayPal
Airbnb
Slack
Salesforce
Block
Autodesk
Chime

“Instead of fixing the problems, politicians are waving goodbye to businesses and continuing failed policies.” It will continue to worsen, as politicians are not willing to prioritize the pressing issue at hand and implement effective comprehensive and long-term strategies for controlling and mitigating homelessness and crime in San Francisco. “We see many of the failed policies in San Francisco now being implemented in cities across the state as liberal politicians take control in more regions. We need to warn voters what will happen if they allow their city to embrace the same policies that led to San Francisco’s decline.”
Here’s a List of Companies Fleeing San Francisco — and Why

Need toiletries or food? Just walk into any drug store in San Francisco and take it—no questions asked, and no arrest or prosecution, as long your total haul is under $950. Be sure to thank Chesa Boudin, the rogue prosecutor of the City by the Bay.

Or if your thing is possessing illegal drugs to distribute them, go to Boston, where it’s illegal, but you won’t get prosecuted. Thank Rachael Rollins, the former district attorney and current U.S. attorney under President Joe Biden. Rollins listed 15 crimes you can commit in Boston with impunity on her website, including receiving stolen property, or maliciously destroying property, or breaking and entering when you’re cold, or resisting arrest by the police.

Don’t want to post any bail after you have committed more crimes? No worries, as you have lots of cities to choose from, including Los Angeles (home to the King of Rogue Prosecutors, George Gascon), Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis, and New York City (thanks to Alvin Bragg and the New York State Legislature, which eliminated bail for most crimes).
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 27 Aug 2023, 06:09:40

Perhaps it's not such a recent story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDi4hiiozeI
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 18 Oct 2023, 16:17:18

Mortgage Rates Hit 8%, US Housing Affordability At Lowest Level Since The '80s


The average rate on the popular 30-year fixed mortgage rate hit 8% Wednesday. That is the highest level since mid-2000. Which of course triggered the collapse of the IT bubble and the markets in general. The US property crash came next, caused by over-investment caused by low rates and lax lending standards.
https://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mortg ... year-fixed

They say you can see a lot just by looking, and when I select the MAX range on the chart above I see the obvious 'trend'. Whenever rates peaked, it coincided with a time of disastrous consequences for the economy. The high rates didn't cause the disaster, it was the artificially low rates leading up that caused it. The rate increase was simply the trigger for the collapse, the unwind. 2006 was one, 2000 as well at 8.5%. The 1994 bond crisis was at a peak of rates, over 9%.

So what will happen this time? With the 2 decade build up of rates lower than what we see now? Well one thing is for sure, it won't be pretty, but I can't imagine who is buying homes in the suburbs today, at these rates.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby jato0072 » Wed 18 Oct 2023, 19:10:29

So what will happen this time? With the 2 decade build up of rates lower than what we see now?


After watching nations pump trillions of dollars into the system during the forced government lockdowns, I don't think too much will happen with markets. Expect high inflation / interest rates from here on out.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 20 Oct 2023, 03:21:43

Interesting take. If I was to roll the dice, I'd say a global equities and bond market collapse is about to be engineered to pave the way for a cashless world rescue package via a one world bank.

But that's just as unlikely as a group of dispersed people from 100 different nationalities, adherents to an ancient religion, getting their national lands back after 2000 years of exile. And then, in 70 years, turning it into a nuclear superpower. Highly Highly unlikely...

...Together, these banks owned about 63 percent of the New York Fed’s outstanding stock. Mullins then showed that many of these banks are owned by about a dozen European banking organizations, mostly British, and most notably the Rothschild banking dynasty. Through their American agents they are able to select the board of directors for the New York Fed and to direct U.S. monetary policy. Mullins explained

https://www.usagold.com/cpmforum/who-ow ... l-reserve/

Sounds like tinfoil hat stuff.
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But what about the nuclear stockpile and delivery systems? Surely that's not true. I've never seen it on TV.

The Third Temple's Holy of Holies: Israel's Nuclear Weapons
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Lieutenant Colonel Warner D. Farr, USA
https://media.defense.gov/2019/Apr/11/2 ... EAPONS.PDF

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(Airborne), 1st Special Forces, in Vietnam, the United States, and Germany...


Amazing what you can achieve when you have unlimited money. You can even order pizza and have it delivered by two American carrier battle groups.

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...One U.S. aircraft carrier and its strike group are already in the eastern Mediterranean and a second one has left the U.S. and is heading that way.
https://apnews.com/article/united-state ... a53fde3ac5

Now it begs the question... Why didn't they send them up toward the ukraine last year?

P.S. Half of all the jews in Israel came out of the USSR and russia. A lot of their prime ministers were Russian joos. Food for thought...
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Fri 20 Oct 2023, 15:13:17

theluckycountry wrote:
Now it begs the question... Why didn't they send them up toward the ukraine last year?



https://news.usni.org/2022/02/28/turkey ... o-warships
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 20 Oct 2023, 17:00:12

Ahhh, so that was the reason.
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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 20 Oct 2023, 17:24:57

Could the Palestinians save the American suburbs?

Israel Amassing Fleets Of Tanks On Northern Border Of Gaza - Ground Invasion Appears Imminent

...The position of the weaponry indicates a north to south sweep of Gaza might be the intended tactic. A wide cast net using ground units to roll like a wave through the area is what some in the strategic community would call "mowing the grass," ...

...There is the chance that the goal will be the complete removal of all Palestinian presence, creating a historic refugee crisis (which will probably be dumped in the lap of the American public). This may be why so many political representatives in the US have been laying the PR groundwork for the possible importation of millions of Palestinians in the past week.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... s-imminent

Well I can understand that. Many US citizens are sympathetic to the plight of the poor Palestinians and would welcome them over. The Federal government can buy the oversupply of houses in the suburbs for them and provide free accommodation like Sweden's government did for it's terrorists refugees.


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Homeland Security officer on leave after it was revealed she worked for PLO
Nejwa Ali worked in 2016 and 2017 as a public affairs officer for the Palestinian Delegation to the U.S., which according to its own website, served as the “PLO office in D.C.” That office was expelled from the country by the Trump administration, but Ali landed on her feet, according to a screenshot of her LinkedIn profile, securing a job at DHS as an “Asylum Officer,” where she was tasked with “applying immigration laws and regulations to asylum applications.”
https://nypost.com/2023/10/19/homeland- ... fk-israel/

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Re: The Death of Suburbia Pt. 2

Unread postby noobtube » Sat 21 Oct 2023, 15:46:53

theluckycountry wrote:Could the Palestinians save the American suburbs?

Israel Amassing Fleets Of Tanks On Northern Border Of Gaza - Ground Invasion Appears Imminent

Well I can understand that. Many US citizens are sympathetic to the plight of the poor Palestinians and would welcome them over. The Federal government can buy the oversupply of houses in the suburbs for them and provide free accommodation like Sweden's government did for it's terrorists refugees.


This may be hard to believe, but there are Americans who want nothing to do with Israel or Arab politics or headaches.

America has enough problems without importing more trouble.

If you want to know where the wasteland is in America, it is not the cities. It is the suburbs.
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