mekrob wrote:I have a hard time believing that oil will return to $36 like Yergin proclaims. True, we could very well drop down to that in numerical terms, but in actual value, it will only and can only increase, especially when you figure in the depreciating US dollar. If oil does return to $36 in coming years, bread will be a nickel and milk a dime. Wages may surpass a dollar a day. $36 oil won't help anyone out.
DoomersUnite wrote:Heard the guy on MSNBC or ABC a couple weeks ago, no wonder people don't beleive us Doomers, he comes across as alot more coherent than anything coming out of our side.
GreyZone wrote:To DoomersUnite: Please show me the URL of the specific post where Simmons stated that oil would go to $100 per barrel. What Simmons actually said was that oil could go to $100 per barrel because the market was very tight and all it would take would be some trigger incident. This comment was, of course, taken out of context especially by cornucopians as "proof" that Simmons was wrong.
GreyZone wrote:However, about Yergin, he STILL insists that prices are going to go back down. Eventually you conclude that he is a one note canary and can't sing any other tunes. Someday he might be right but it will be entirely by accident and not because he is good at understanding the oil market. In fact, the years preceding him being right (if ever) will be proof of how totally wrong he actually is.
dub_scratch wrote:DoomersUnite wrote:Heard the guy on MSNBC or ABC a couple weeks ago, no wonder people don't beleive us Doomers, he comes across as alot more coherent than anything coming out of our side.
First of all, it is "Peakers" not "Doomers" you should refer to as the "us". Some Peakers are Doomers but not all Peakers are Doomers.
dub_scratch wrote:But semantics aside, the reason why the public believes the assertions of Yergin over the Peaker skepticism is due to inherent bias. It is just not in many people's interest to take the news objectively as to whether or not oil peak is in our near future.
dub_scratch wrote:IMO, PO will come as a surprise or a shock, regardless of the date of its occurrence. If PO were to happen 20 years from now, as Yergin suggests, the public would be in just as much of denial as they are today. And if CERA were to hold to their prediction of an oil peak in the 2020's, they then would be scorned by the new crop of cornucopians.
(Emphasis mine.)ROCKETING oil prices might hit $100 (£57) this year, controversial Texan oil analyst Matt Simmons has warned.
Crude surged past $60 a barrel last week and investors are pinning their hopes on a build-up in US oil-stocks to bring the price down again in the coming months. However, Simmons said surging demand will keep prices well above $50.
"We could be at $100 by this winter," he said. "We have the biggest risk we have ever had of demand exceeding supply. We are about to face up to the biggest crisis we have ever had."
Consumers should brace for crude oil and natural gas prices possibly doubling or tripling this winter, Matthew Simmons, a best-selling author and oil-supply bear, said on Wednesday.
"Prices are really cheap today and they need to go a lot higher, and they probably will go a lot higher," Simmons said in Ottawa. "I am very concerned, given the destructive damage done by (Hurricanes) Katrina and Rita, that the United States must be closer to starting to see significant product shortages than we've seen since 1979."
Too much got destroyed and too little has been brought back on stream, the Houston-based analyst said. He also said that cold weather this winter could bring a very high risk of natural gas curtailment in the United States. "Either one of those events (oil product shortage or natural gas shortage) could send prices two to three times higher than they are today," he said after a speech in Ottawa.
That could translate into natural gas prices of $40 per million British thermal units from more than $13 now, he said. Doubling or tripling crude would put it in the range of $125 to $190 per barrel.
DoomersUnite wrote:Well, inherent bias might be one explanation, but Yergin not sounding like a lunatic sure doesn't hurt. When a Doomer/Peaker stands up and runs through a Ruppert-like spiel, his ideas get kissed off right off the bat because they sound like a nutjob.
DoomersUnite wrote:To heck with inherent bias, Yergin just ends up SOUNDING reasonable, whereas the other guy comes across like a conspiracy nut who thinks it is all Georges fault.
And $1/day is just a silly wage, and presupposes like a complete destruction of most modern economies, which, wihle amusing to those of us ready for it, is highly unlikely.
GreyZone wrote: Simmons said....We are about to face up to the biggest crisis we have ever had."
GreyZone wrote: What did the other article say? He also said that cold weather this winter could bring a very high risk of natural gas curtailment in the United States. He identifies 2 specific events that could trigger $100 per barrel prices. Neither of those events did happen. I fail to see where he made a failed prediction, whereas Yergin flatly predicted, WITHOUT ANY CAVEATS WHATSOEVER, that oil would return to $38 per barrel. Looks to me like Yergin is the bigger "lunatic", to use your own ad hominem attack.
dub_scratch wrote:And have you noticed that the abiotic oil theory-- which is truly crackpot-- isn't attacked by the respected cornucopians and the MSM as much as peak oil? Why is that? And even some of the respected peak oil debunkers, such as O'dell, have embraced the abiotic oil theory.
markam wrote:Actually, 1 silver dollar a day was the average wage before we went off of the gold standard and destroyed our currency. Once we go back to a real currency, based upon gold/silver, 1 dollar a day should once again be the average wage in america.And $1/day is just a silly wage, and presupposes like a complete destruction of most modern economies, which, wihle amusing to those of us ready for it, is highly unlikely.
I haven't noticed any destruction of currency. I take out some paper, hand it to someone, they hand me something back. Seems like its been working for at least a few decades alright.
MSNBC.com wrote:“Oil has become a proxy for geopolitics right now,” said Daniel Yergin, who heads Cambridge Energy Research Associates. Yergin said petroleum supply-demand fundamentals are improving, with global oil inventories and spare oil-production capacity rising, but clearly not enough to offset the geopolitical unrest.
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