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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 08:26:19

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Slams Fox News For Laughing At Her DC Rent Problem | HuffPost
The representative-elect criticized Fox panelists for mocking working-class people ― and for mispronouncing her name.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who this week became the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, called out Fox News for belittling her struggle to afford an apartment in Washington, D.C., during a Friday panel discussion on “America’s Newsroom.”

The Fox panelists snickered all the way through their chat on the topic, described in a chyron as: “Self-proclaimed socialist says she can’t afford DC rent.”

Contributor Judy Miller actually laughed after host Bill Hemmer recalled that Ocasio-Cortez ― whose name no one pronounced correctly on the show ― was working in the service industry before she launched into her campaign to represent New York’s 14th District.

Here's the platform that helped Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez win in NYC - Business Insider
  • Medicare for All -- medicine, vision, dental & mental health care
  • Universal Jobs Guarantee -- serve our communities with living wages
  • Fully Funded Public Schools & Universities -- plus taxing Wall Street to support tuition-free public universities and trade schools
  • Paid Family & Sick Leave -- giving everyone the right to choose care
  • Housing as a Human Right -- safe, secure, habitable, & affordable homes
  • Justice System Reform -- end the War on Drugs, demilitarize our police and abolish for-profit incarceration
  • Immigration Justice -- protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE
  • Infrastructural Overhaul -- invest in 100% renewable green industry
  • Clean Campaign Finance -- ending the corrupting influence of corporate finance in public elections
  • An Economy of Peace -- that supports are veterans and actively values all humanity
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 08:30:07

What AOC tweeted, from Ocasio2018:
1. @FoxNews, why can’t any of your anchors say my name correctly? It’s been 5 months.

2. It is bizarre to see 1%-salaried anchors laugh at the US housing crisis.

3. Never purchased pricey clothes + always told my story. But repeating lies until they are believed is your thing.


There is no reason to be ashamed or embarrassed.

Mocking lower incomes is exactly how those who benefit from + promote wealth inequality the most keep everyday people silent about 1 of the worst threats to American society: that the rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer.


40% of ALL Americans currently struggle to pay for one basic need like food or rent.

As much as @FoxNews likes to mock the working-class, the real scandal is that at the wealthiest point in our history, we are at one of our most unequal.

Most Americans are barely scraping by.


There are many little ways in which our electoral system isn’t even designed (nor prepared) for working-class people to lead.

This is one of them (don’t worry btw - we’re working it out!)

Those expensive clothes were given to her to be photographed in for an Interview magazine photo shoot. She will earn $174,000/year when she starts her term in Congress, but it won't start until January next year.

I note that she campaigned the old-fashioned way, by walking the streets and knocking on a lot of doors. She even showed off her worn-out running shoes that she had worn.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 08:48:22

lpetrich wrote:Here's the platform that helped Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez win in NYC - Business Insider[/url]
  • Medicare for All -- medicine, vision, dental & mental health care
  • Universal Jobs Guarantee -- serve our communities with living wages
  • Fully Funded Public Schools & Universities -- plus taxing Wall Street to support tuition-free public universities and trade schools
  • Paid Family & Sick Leave -- giving everyone the right to choose care
  • Housing as a Human Right -- safe, secure, habitable, & affordable homes
  • Justice System Reform -- end the War on Drugs, demilitarize our police and abolish for-profit incarceration
  • Immigration Justice -- protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE
  • Infrastructural Overhaul -- invest in 100% renewable green industry
  • Clean Campaign Finance -- ending the corrupting influence of corporate finance in public elections
  • An Economy of Peace -- that supports are veterans and actively values all humanity

And the cost of that platform to middle class taxpayers would be__________________??
Keep in mind that any tax increase to corporations and the rich people that own the stock gets passed right through to the customers which is us.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 09:16:24

It's all free stuff so it doesn't cost anything. ;)
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 09:44:07

FiveThirtyEight | Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight uses statistical analysis — hard numbers — to tell compelling stories about politics, sports, science, economics and culture. -- that was my favorite source during the recent election, because it has shown itself to be reliable in the past.

I knew about its predictions before the election, but after the 2016 election, I did not want to become overconfident. I'd see the Democrats having a 7 in 8 chance of winning or some similar fraction, but I knew that 1 in 8 is not zero. This caution seemed very justified in the early hours of vote counting, when the 538 model started getting jumpy and giving the Democrats probabilities as low as 1 in 2. But Nate Silver conceded that his model was a bit overly aggressive in its predictions, and he made it more cautious. The model's predictions then settled down.

It was satisfying for me to see the Democrats win by a sizable margin, even if some of the elections had yet to be called. This means that they won't need complete agreement to proceed.

I've been following We’re Tracking The Unresolved Midterm Races | FiveThirtyEight and there's an interesting one in Maine. Republican Bruce Poliquin claims that he has more votes than Democrat Jared Golden, but neither has a majority. The winner will be determined by instant-runoff or ranked-choice voting. Two other candidates were in the race, and when they are dropped from the count, their supporters' next choices will be counted, adding to the votes for the two front runners.

From the article, "However, on Tuesday, Poliquin filed a lawsuit alleging that ranked-choice voting could be illegal under federal law and is demanding that the counting stop (and he be declared the winner)."
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 09:57:15

vtsnowedin wrote:
lpetrich wrote:Here's the platform that helped Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez win in NYC - Business Insider[/url]
  • Medicare for All -- medicine, vision, dental & mental health care
  • Universal Jobs Guarantee -- serve our communities with living wages
  • Fully Funded Public Schools & Universities -- plus taxing Wall Street to support tuition-free public universities and trade schools
  • Paid Family & Sick Leave -- giving everyone the right to choose care
  • Housing as a Human Right -- safe, secure, habitable, & affordable homes
  • Justice System Reform -- end the War on Drugs, demilitarize our police and abolish for-profit incarceration
  • Immigration Justice -- protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE
  • Infrastructural Overhaul -- invest in 100% renewable green industry
  • Clean Campaign Finance -- ending the corrupting influence of corporate finance in public elections
  • An Economy of Peace -- that supports are veterans and actively values all humanity

And the cost of that platform to middle class taxpayers would be__________________??

Let's see. Medicare for All would replace medical-insurance premiums with taxes, and we all know how much Real Americans absolutely *enjoy* paying medical-insurance premiums. Middle-class taxpayers can and will benefit from reliable medical insurance, and they will benefit from insurance that lets them choose their own doctors, instead of insurance that allows one to choose only the ones "in the network", as if it was imposed on them.

Middle-class taxpayers will also benefit from not having heavy tuition loads, and also from getting to have paid family and sick leave.

As to ending the War on Drugs, demilitarizing our police, and abolishing for-profit incarceration, I thought that all the wounded taxpayers out there would eagerly support these things. But instead, they seem to enjoy paying taxes to pay for these things.

As to protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE, I thought that opponents of taxes would jump for joy at the prospect of abolishing ICE, and opponents of government bureaucracy would do likewise at the prospect of simplifying becoming a citizen.

Middle-class taxpayers will benefit from renewable-energy investment, since it means that they won't have to pay more for food and A/C. They will also benefit from ending the corrupting influence of corporate finance in public elections, because their voices will be heard more easily.

Keep in mind that any tax increase to corporations and the rich people that own the stock gets passed right through to the customers which is us.

An evidence-free assertion. That did not happen in the 1950's and 1960's. I think that our economy is currently top-heavy and could use some corrections.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 10:57:29

We will get socialism right this time. So help me Marx.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lpetrich » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 11:10:35

Cog wrote:We will get socialism right this time. So help me Marx.

Define "socialism".
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 11:24:47

lpetrich wrote:
Cog wrote:We will get socialism right this time. So help me Marx.

Define "socialism".


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Re: Dear US Congress: You Suck

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 15 Nov 2018, 20:02:29

Marcia Fudge just denounced the "taint of racism" in the D Congressional caucus.

Right ON sister. Tell it like it is.

And Rep. Marcia Fudge is considering running against speaker Pelosi.

I hope she does run. Pelosi is 78 years old! She is older then dirt.

The Ds need some new blood for the new Congress, and Rep. Fudge would be a new face. And, if the Congressional Ds don't vote for Ms. Fudge, then the world will see they are racists, just as Ms. Fudge said.

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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 10:47:54

lpetrich wrote:
Cog wrote:We will get socialism right this time. So help me Marx.

Define "socialism".


Any time 'Society' pays is a form of Socialism. For some things like the military, law enforcement (including ICE/border patrol), fire fighting and emergency medical services (ambulance/paramedics) I am quite satisfied to use a social payment model because only the incredibly wealthy could pay to have those services supplied for themselves. I also believe in good infrastructure and communication networks as a part of society so you can throw those on the socialism is justifiable pile as well.

Then there are the people who have physical or mental handicaps that need help to survive and have a decent quality of life. This is where it starts getting sticky because if you make it a government program without means testing then a great many people who are fully functional will game the system for 'free stuff'. A partial solution is to means test, but that always leads to howls of protest. Another problem is a program intended to help the mentally ill often grows massive new client lists when conditions like Alcoholism are added to the 'mental illness' category. Let me be clear, I grew up in a hard drinking family where drowning your sorrows was seen as a necessity for day to day life. All of the government programs on earth were not going to change that no matter how well intentioned. Programs like the 'friends of bill' can be quite effective some of the time because the participants WANT to change. Imposing a broad solution however has been a failure unless the solution was death. The PRC was quite successful limiting drug use because back in the 1970's their solution was simple, catch someone on drugs and they were publicly executed ASAP in front of as large a crowd as could be gathered. This left casual users with the choice of get caught and die so most of that group quit using. For the true addicts death was a real final solution to their addiction.

Personally I have observed government solutions to most issues are arbitrary, heavy handed, and ineffective unless brutally enforced without recourse to politics. Far better to use local solutions and involve some compassion for the party in question, but when you try and use the terms 'big government' and 'compassion' together you get massive gaming of the system because the government employees are either unaware of the specific individual as a person, or restricted by the rules from saying no to a gamer.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 13:58:42

lpetrich wrote: And the cost of that platform to middle class taxpayers would be__________________??

Let's see. Medicare for All would replace medical-insurance premiums with taxes, and we all know how much Real Americans absolutely *enjoy* paying medical-insurance premiums. Middle-class taxpayers can and will benefit from reliable medical insurance, and they will benefit from insurance that lets them choose their own doctors, instead of insurance that allows one to choose only the ones "in the network", as if it was imposed on them.[/quote]
Oh sure having the government pay all the bills to hospitals and doctors will be way more efficient. Just look at the VA system to see how good it will be.
On to universal jobs for all with "living wages". I suppose that includes the drug addicts in your town and those so mentally unsound that they need constant supervision? What about the drunkards that are too hung over most days to even find their way to work? gonna pay them $15.00 per hour to screw things up or harass your customers?
Middle-class taxpayers will also benefit from not having heavy tuition loads, and also from getting to have paid family and sick leave.

I already paid for my children's collage. why should I now have to turn around and pay for everyone else's? And how are you going to control the exorbitant costs collages and universities are charging today.
As to ending the War on Drugs, demilitarizing our police, and abolishing for-profit incarceration, I thought that all the wounded taxpayers out there would eagerly support these things. But instead, they seem to enjoy paying taxes to pay for these things.

While the war on drugs needs to change tactics and focus from Marijuana to fentanyl The government will always have to spend time and money fighting these killers and destroyers of lives young and old. To think we can just stop the war on drugs and save the money spent is beyond stupid.
As to protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE, I thought that opponents of taxes would jump for joy at the prospect of abolishing ICE, and opponents of government bureaucracy would do likewise at the prospect of simplifying becoming a citizen.

While I think the path to citizenship should be sped up to months instead of the present years that is for those that got in line and followed the law. Those that jump the fence or swam the river need to go back and start over. We want and even need immigrants in this country but we get to decide who comes in and who doesn't.
We need ICE to sort out the good from the bad and without them we would have to have the military on the border 24/7/365 with orders to shoot to kill.
Middle-class taxpayers will benefit from renewable-energy investment, since it means that they won't have to pay more for food and A/C.

Renewable energy at present costs considerably more then traditional fossil fuel sources so predicting lower prices for the end products (food and AC) if we switch to exclusive renewables is quite a stretch.
They will also benefit from ending the corrupting influence of corporate finance in public elections, because their voices will be heard more easily.

Easier said then done. I would make every donor corporate or private declare to the public and their stock holders where and what they spent the money on before the check clears. That way you would know which candidate is bought and paid for by the corporations. I'd also like to make politicians wear sponsor logos like a NASCAR driver but even their oversized blue suits might not have enough surface area to hold them all.
You didn't mention housing as a right and infrastructure overhaul. Both big ticket items that have to be paid for and again why should I be taxed to house someone after I built and paid for my own house?
Keep in mind that any tax increase to corporations and the rich people that own the stock gets passed right through to the customers which is us.

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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 14:54:38

lpetrich wrote:Nikki Haley Tells Conservative Teens: Stop Trying to ‘Own the Libs’ Online - The Daily Beast
“I know that it’s fun and that it can feel good, but step back and think about what you’re accomplishing when you do this—are you persuading anyone? Who are you persuading?” Haley asked. “We’ve all been guilty of it at some point or another, but this kind of speech isn’t leadership—it’s the exact opposite.”

Does that make her a RINO?


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Unread postby Newfie » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 14:58:50

lpetrich wrote:
  • Medicare for All -- medicine, vision, dental & mental health care
  • Universal Jobs Guarantee -- serve our communities with living wages
  • Fully Funded Public Schools & Universities -- plus taxing Wall Street to support tuition-free public universities and trade schools
  • Paid Family & Sick Leave -- giving everyone the right to choose care
  • Housing as a Human Right -- safe, secure, habitable, & affordable homes
  • Justice System Reform -- end the War on Drugs, demilitarize our police and abolish for-profit incarceration
  • Immigration Justice -- protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE
  • Infrastructural Overhaul -- invest in 100% renewable green industry
  • Clean Campaign Finance -- ending the corrupting influence of corporate finance in public elections
  • An Economy of Peace -- that supports are veterans and actively values all humanity


1 Antibiotic desiease resistance
2 overly extended and complicated global financial system
3 Climate change
4 Resource depletion
5 over population

These are the five items I’ve identified as most pressing for humanities future.

Because she touched on none of them I consider her another short sighted opportunist.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 20:34:08

Newfie wrote:
lpetrich wrote:
1 Antibiotic desiease resistance
2 overly extended and complicated global financial system
3 Climate change
4 Resource depletion
5 over population

These are the five items I’ve identified as most pressing for humanities future.

Because she touched on none of them I consider her another short sighted opportunist.

So much "justice" and human rights to get ever more free stuff, paid for by others. And only raising taxes to pay for it. Gee, where have I heard such thoughts before?
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Re: Dear US Congress: You Suck

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 16 Nov 2018, 20:36:28

Plantagenet wrote:Marcia Fudge just denounced the "taint of racism" in the D Congressional caucus.

Right ON sister. Tell it like it is.

And Rep. Marcia Fudge is considering running against speaker Pelosi.

I hope she does run. Pelosi is 78 years old! She is older then dirt.

The Ds need some new blood for the new Congress, and Rep. Fudge would be a new face. And, if the Congressional Ds don't vote for Ms. Fudge, then the world will see they are racists, just as Ms. Fudge said.

Yeah, just like you were a "racist" every time you made a legit claim about Obama policies. :roll:

You are wildly inconsistent.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Sat 17 Nov 2018, 04:53:32

Outcast, perhaps you should adjust your sarcasm detector a bit. Then reread plant's post.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lpetrich » Sat 17 Nov 2018, 11:37:42

vtsnowedin wrote:
lpetrich wrote:Let's see. Medicare for All would replace medical-insurance premiums with taxes, and we all know how much Real Americans absolutely *enjoy* paying medical-insurance premiums. ...

Oh sure having the government pay all the bills to hospitals and doctors will be way more efficient.

That's how Medicare works, and you ought to tell that to those who demand "keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

As to ending the War on Drugs, demilitarizing our police, and abolishing for-profit incarceration, I thought that all the wounded taxpayers out there would eagerly support these things. But instead, they seem to enjoy paying taxes to pay for these things.

While the war on drugs needs to change tactics and focus from Marijuana to fentanyl The government will always have to spend time and money fighting these killers and destroyers of lives young and old. To think we can just stop the war on drugs and save the money spent is beyond stupid.

So you want more government there? Where did all the individual initiative go?

As to protect DREAMers & TPS recipients, simplify the paths to citizenship and abolish ICE, I thought that opponents of taxes would jump for joy at the prospect of abolishing ICE, and opponents of government bureaucracy would do likewise at the prospect of simplifying becoming a citizen.

While I think the path to citizenship should be sped up to months instead of the present years that is for those that got in line and followed the law. Those that jump the fence or swam the river need to go back and start over. We want and even need immigrants in this country but we get to decide who comes in and who doesn't.
We need ICE to sort out the good from the bad and without them we would have to have the military on the border 24/7/365 with orders to shoot to kill.

So you want more government there? Where did all the individual initiative go?

Middle-class taxpayers will benefit from renewable-energy investment, since it means that they won't have to pay more for food and A/C.

Renewable energy at present costs considerably more then traditional fossil fuel sources so predicting lower prices for the end products (food and AC) if we switch to exclusive renewables is quite a stretch.

Out-of-date bull doo-doo. Renewable sources are now economically competitive for electricity generation, even if not yet for making liquid fuels.

Keep in mind that any tax increase to corporations and the rich people that own the stock gets passed right through to the customers which is us.

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"Obvious" = evidence-free.
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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 17 Nov 2018, 21:26:55

lpetrich wrote:]Medicare for All -- medicine, vision, dental & mental health care


You must have missed the news that the Ds, as their first act in Congress, are going to pass a rule that will make passing their wonderful "agenda" impossible.

pelosi-mulls-super-majority-rule-for-tax-hikes-blocking-own-agenda

You can't institute "Medicare for all" without having people coming into the Medicare system start to pay Medicare taxes.

But Pelosi's plan to make tax increases impossible to pass will block Medicare for all by blocking any increase in taxes.

Soo-prise Soo-prise.

The Ds just lied to everyone again.

They say the wanted single payer, but they gave us Obamacare. Now they say they want Medicare for all, and they give us.......a rule making it impossible to have Medicare for all.

Sheesh.

And the Ds have been railing about Trump's impeachment....but that is clearly another lie. It isn't going to happen. Pelosi has made it clear she won't move on that front.

Why do people keep falling for this stuff.. Its pretty obvious the Ds are confirmed liars after about the 10th lie or so.

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Re: THE American Congress Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 18 Nov 2018, 01:26:05

Cog wrote:Outcast, perhaps you should adjust your sarcasm detector a bit. Then reread plant's post.

You're absolutely right. Don't know why it was "off" when I read that.

Plant, my bad.
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