[onlooker]

Excuse me again the issue here is about ruthless corruption and exploitation. But of course continue with your conservative talking points how individuals need to take responsibility in the meantime don't look now the Corporations and Govt are running amuck

[asg70]

Excuse me again the issue here is about ruthless corruption and exploitation.

To what end? What's your prescription? Ban advertising?

I just don't get what your point is other than to just whine.

[onlooker]

Excuse me again the issue here is about ruthless corruption and exploitation.

To what end? What's your prescription? Ban advertising?

I just don't get what your point is other than to just whine.

Well actually that female does NOT make me whine

[vox_mundi]

In Asia’s Fattest Country, Nutritionists Take Money From Food Giants

When the food industry funds nutritionists, critics say it subverts science to preserve its market.

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Over the past three decades this increasingly prosperous nation has become the fattest country in Asia, with nearly half the adult population now overweight or obese. Several years ago, Dr. Tee E Siong, Malaysia’s leading nutrition expert, decided to act, organizing a far-reaching study of local diets and lifestyle habits.

The research, conducted by scientists from the Nutrition Society of Malaysia, which Dr. Tee heads, has produced several articles for peer-reviewed academic journals. But scientists weren’t the only ones vetting the material. One of the reviewers was Nestlé, the world’s largest food company, which financed the research.

Among the published articles was one that concluded that children who drank malted breakfast beverages — a category dominated in Malaysia by Milo, a sugary powder drink made by Nestlé — were more likely to be physically active and spend less time in front of a computer or television.

The research exemplified a practice that began in the West and has moved, along with rising obesity rates, to developing countries: deep financial partnerships between the world’s largest food companies and nutrition scientists, policymakers and academic societies.

The industry funds research projects, pays scholars consulting fees, and sponsors most major nutrition conferences at a time when sales of processed foods are soaring. In Malaysia sales have increased 105 percent over the past five years, according to Euromonitor, a market research company.

... When corporate money influences nutrition science, Dr. Popkin said, the evidence of what is healthy for people “gets obscured, gets confounded.”

In addition to Nestlé, Dr. Tee’s work has been funded by Kellogg’s, PepsiCo and Tate & Lyle, one of the world’s biggest makers of high-fructose corn syrup, among others.

Analysis of new studies including 250,000 people confirms sugar-sweetened drinks are linked to overweight and obesity in children and adults

A new review of the latest evidence on sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs)- which includes 30 new studies published between 2013 and 2015 (and none of them industry sponsored) - concludes that SSB consumption is associated with overweight and obesity, and that countries that have not already done so should take action to reduce the consumption of the so-called 'empty calories' that these drinks contain.

Dr Bes-Rastrollo says: "Numerous countries across the world have high levels of SSB consumption, and even those with low intakes are observing sharp increases. Therefore, the combined evidence published before and after 2013 confirming that SSBs have adverse effects on body weight gain or obesity in children and adults provides a rationale for urgent policy action."

The authors point to the success of higher taxes on SSBs in Mexico, where sales have fallen by 12%, most sharply in the poorest parts of the population (by 17%). Dr Bes-Rastrollo adds: "Various countries have now established and implemented approaches focusing on the reduction of SSB intake by limiting its availability, increasing market price, raising public awareness through education programs via the media or at school, introducing tax policies, and improving labelling."

[vox_mundi]

Mouse Study Reveals What Happens in the Gut After Too Much Fructose

Princeton University researchers report that in mice, fructose, a sugar found in fruit, is processed mainly in the small intestine, not in the liver as had previously been suspected. Sugary drinks and processed high-sugar foods overwhelm the small intestine and spill into the liver for processing.

Evidence from previous animal and human studies has shown that excessive sugar ingestion can be harmful, especially to the liver. Chronic over-consumption can lead to obesity and foster insulin resistance that can progress to diabetes; it also can contribute to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, which can lead to cirrhosis or liver cancer.

"There is a fundamental physiological difference in how smaller and larger amounts of sugar are processed in the body," explains Joshua D. Rabinowitz of the Lewis-Sigler Institute for Integrative Genomics at Princeton University, whose laboratory led the study. The prior view was that the liver processes all ingested sugar. But this study showed that more than 90 percent of the fructose was cleared by the small intestine in mice.

"We can offer some reassurance—at least from these animal studies—that fructose from moderate amounts of fruits will not reach the liver," ... However, the small intestine probably starts to get overwhelmed with sugar halfway through a can of soda or large glass of orange juice."

"The microbiome is designed to never see sugar," Rabinowitz says. "One can eat an infinite amount of carbohydrates, and there will be nary a molecule of glucose that enters the microbiome. But as soon as you drink the soda or juice, the microbiome is seeing an extremely powerful nutrient that it was designed to never see."



Cell Metabolism, Jang, C. et al: "The Small Intestine Converts Dietary Fructose into glucose and organic acids"

[Tanada]

Lest we forget Mice are not a particularly good animal model for nutrition for the same reason rabbits and guinea pigs are not suitable human analogs. None of them have a digestive system much like that of a human being. A far better choice model are pygmy swine because they are omnivores of the same class as humans and eat a large variety of the same foods.

A great deal of the Vegan thinking comes from the study of animals that are obligate herbivores like rabbits and guinea pigs that do not digest foods the same way we omnivores do. The initial cholesterol tests that were used to proclaim dietary cholesterol was a human killer were based on rabbit/animal model studies. Of course rabbits are about as close to pure herbivores as you can get, so naturally their digestive system lacks the capability of dealing effectively with ingested animal cholesterol. Humans and Mice are not the same, for example mice in their natural habitat consume massive calories in the form of plant seeds and thus have developed a digestive system that can deal with the chemical defenses of that food source. Humans have only been eating large quantities of plant seeds like Wheat and Rice for about 6,000 years and it is becoming increasingly clear they are not a healthy food choice for human beings. We have only been consuming large quantities of Sugar and Fructose for about 40 years and the resulting Epidemic of Obesity, Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease, High Blood Pressure, Gout, etc etc should be enough to tell you how unwise they are as a caloric intake choice for human beings.

[charmcitysking]

Humans have only been eating large quantities of plant seeds like Wheat and Rice for about 6,000 years and it is becoming increasingly clear they are not a healthy food choice for human beings.

Tanada - would you mind elaborating on this point a little, please?

[KaiserJeep]

She's probably talking about the gluten/gliadin/glutine/L-glutamine/MSG controversy. It is actually an extremely complex subject that a lot of people form opinions on based on personal experiences.

First of all, grains/seeds in their wild forms have been consumed for 10,000+ years by humans and their immediate precursor species. Depending upon where your particular DNA is from, you the modern human may have a genetic intolerance for gluten, a protein found in what are called the "cereal grains" (wheat, barley, rye, etc. but NOT rice) which originated in the Caucasus Mountains along with white-skinned humans. Other branches of the human tree have less tolerance, as do some of those lighter-skinned humans with an infusion of DNA from Africa or Asia.

Gluten breaks down into glutamine plus glutamate. Glutamine NOBODY is allergic to, it's one of the fundamental amino acids that the body manufactures, an essential nutrient. In fact the mirror analogue L-glutamine is the free form amino acid found in all grains, seeds, soy/beans, and dairy. But conventional glutamine generates MSG (mono sodium glutamate) during digestion, which many people cannot tolerate because of their DNA. The grain that generates more MSG in the gut than anything else is the "hard" wheat varieties, often milled into flours for baking. Most people who think they have a "wheat allergy" or a "dairy allergy" actually cannot tolerate the MSG that their digestion produces in the gut. The other cereal grains plus the "soft" wheat varieties that are consumed whole are much lower in regular gluten and largely digest into the invert form L-glutamine with little MSG.

That's the SHORT version, and many many other opinions exist, and many books containing bad chemistry have been published. You cannot understand the chemistry without also examining the DNA that determines what you can digest either. Finally, if you have another unrelated form of digestive problem - Type 2 diabetes - you have other symptoms that cloud the issue greatly. Mass confusion results.

[MD]

you all are way too smart for me. I eat what my body tells me it wants, except when it wants fats, sugars, or alcohol.

That and I walk a lot.

Then one day I will die anyway.

edit: and the girl in the cartoon? just about the stupidest caricature I have seen all month

[Tanada]

Humans have only been eating large quantities of plant seeds like Wheat and Rice for about 6,000 years and it is becoming increasingly clear they are not a healthy food choice for human beings.

Tanada - would you mind elaborating on this point a little, please?

Sure. Human beings are omnivores who can eat anything from bugs to grains to fungi to fish and meat. From circa 250,000 ybp until 6,000 ybp we were hunter gatherers that ate whatever we could find or catch year around. This included a few tubers we dug up and some grains we harvested if we came across a patch of wild grain when it was almost ripe but had not yet fallen off the plants that produced it.

then around 6,000 ybp the ancient Babylonians in the fertile crescent figured out that scattering some of the wild wheat seeds would bring up a crop of wild wheat in that location a few months later. Around the same time the ancient Chinese figured out the same thing about Rice. A couple thousand years later the Olmecs in Central America figured it out with Maize. At the same time the Inca's predecessors the Moche people figured it out with Potato being the crop of choice. Later they adopted the Quinoa pseudo-grain. The Slavic peoples of ancient Russia figured out the same thing with the Buckwheat pseudo-grain as well.

The key factor however is in every one of these cases the 'food' the people domesticated consists of the reproductive portion of the plant. Seeds and Potato's have to be produced by the parent plant at great energy cost and are produced in the expectation that some of them will survive to the next germination period and produce a descendant set of seeds to carry on the genetic lineage of the plant in question. If you eat the wheat stalks the plant doesn't much care because the goal of the plant is to produce a seed to carry on the next generation. On the other hand if you eat the seed you just ended that particular plants genetic lineage. To try and prevent this from happening all plants produce chemicals in their reproductive elements to discourage animals and insects from consuming those parts. All grains, pseudo-grains and tubers that are of a reproductive nature also have these mildly poisonous chemicals in their make up. If you eat lots of whole raw potatoes the peels will make you very ill. If you pluck a bunch of 'whole grain' wheat and shew it to get out the starches and oils you desire for food energy you get different defense chemical poisons in your system. Eat enough and you grow ill or possibly die.

Along about the time we developed agriculture to grow grains we developed strategies to minimize these natural plant defense poisons. With wheat we learned to strip off as much of the outside of a seed as we can, usually including the 'germ' and husk leaving behind most of the starches, or to dampen the seeds and let them sprout for a day or two before eating them. We also cook our food which breaks down some of these defensive poisons as well.

But all of these strategies for reducing the poison loads that come along with eating seeds are less than perfect and some modern practices are actually a great step backwards. For example eating 'whole grains' because they are 'healthy' is the practice of leaving much more of the husk and/or germ on the grain before grinding it into super fine flour in a modern processing plant. In effect modern technology gave us the ability to leave more husk and still complete the grind and the big food processors see this as a major advantage because the fiber husk that now gets ground to flour bulks up the material with no added cost for buying more raw grain. Many restaurants no longer peel the large potato they use for making fries or 'home made style' mashed potato so when you eat those fries or that mashed potato you also eat the peel and get the mild poison in that portion of the product. Potato peel is a milder defensive poison because the plants also produce actual seeds, and those are very toxic in comparison. For a Potato plant the potato tuber is an energy storage unit and will grow a clone plant if necessary, but in the 'wild' potato reproduce like any other plant that produces seeds, by cross pollination with neighboring plants to diversify the genetics of the next generation.

For a simplified run down of how plants defend their seeds here is the wikipedia article about them, Plant Defense

Fruits as a general rule work in the opposite direction. A plant wants animals to eat the tasty fruit and swallow its seeds in the process without chewing them. Then the fruit plants seeds pass through your digestive tract and are deposited in your stool giving them a nice pile of fertilizer to work with when they germinate later on. Stone fruits like Peaches, Plums, Apricots and Avocado are intended to be swallowed after only light chewing so that the pit will do the same trick. Avocado appear to have co-evolved with a large North American mammal that would swallow them whole but early humans wiped out these herbivores and the modern Avocado almost died out before people decided they were good to eat and started cultivating them manually. Apples and Pear are beloved of horses and the seeds pass right through as do the seeds of some wild grains like Oats and Kentucky Bluegrass the horses inadvertently consume while grazing. The reason these seeds and grape seeds as well taste very bitter if you happen to bite down on them is the defense chemicals attacking your tongue so you learn not to do that. The plant wants you to swallow their seeds, not chew them. The same is true of the grains and pseudo grains that grow on taste stalks, the idea is for the grazers to eat the stalk and swallow the seed. the fiber husk on the outside is to defend the seed from the mechanical action of the gut and shield it from gastric juices in the stomach. it also serves to speed the passage of grain seeds through the small intestine by acting as a lump of fiber. When we grind up seeds and eat them we are destroying the next generation no less than when we eat veal or fresh fertile eggs from the chickens and ducks.

[KaiserJeep]

Speaking personally, I LOVE baked goods. A also love whole wheat, wheat germ, and bran in all forms. Plus all forms of dairy, especially cheeses. Plus I have developed Type 2 diabetes and have been told to eat less of everything, but to especially avoid corn sweetener.

Edit: I read Tanada's message after posting. I've heard much of it before, it's a popular one that is reinforced by personal experience for many. Others have other opinions. But if you find foods you can tolerate and other foods you cannot, do what your body tells you is the best strategy.

Lately, what speaks to me most is ginger. Ginger tea and ginger beer, the "hotter" the better, and not so much ginger ale which is way too sweet. I haven't figured that one out yet.

I'm also still eating a lot of the ancient Roman soft wheat called Farro. It just tastes good, and has a satisfying chew in a salad.

[MD]

quinoa has been good to me. brown rice, quinoa, and cold pressed veggie juice, with a some spinach on the side. my diet staples right now.

[onlooker]

https://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/ ... iber-foods
https://www.today.com/health/block-suga ... -1C9381792
Fiber is very important to control sugar levels in blood
Block sugar from your body in 7 easy ways

[Subjectivist]

https://www.prevention.com/weight-loss/weight-loss-tips/natural-blood-sugar-blockers-high-fiber-foods
https://www.today.com/health/block-suga ... -1C9381792
Fiber is very important to control sugar levels in blood
Block sugar from your body in 7 easy ways

Best way to block sugar is don't eat it.

I know that sounds simplistic, but would you give an alcoholic a supplement to slow down his bodies ability to absorb alcohol and call that a treatment? Diabetes means getting off the sugar and starch if you want to be healthy. If not, enjoy yourself but don't pretend some magic pill will keep you healthy.

[onlooker]

Yes Sub, but sugar is addictive so not so easy to go cold turkey, it is also fairly ubiquitous in grocery stores and supermarkets
https://www.indy100.com/article/researc ... gs-7990081
Sugar 'has same effect on the brain as cocaine'

[dissident]

I have not investigated whether rice proteins induce pro-inflammatory prostoglandin and cytokine production, but wheat definitely does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachidonic_acid
https://academic.oup.com/carcin/article ... 20/2390932

https://www.marksdailyapple.com/arachidonic-acid/

linoleic acid is also an omega-6 fatty acid precursor to arachidonic acid but has been shown to have positive effects. The problem is the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. It is pointless to look at individual compounds in isolation as they form a complex, interdependent system that has a combined impact. For example, fruits have formaldehyde which yields formic acid. But there are other compounds in fruits and eating them is not going to give you cancer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=22913724

http://sweetonion.net/exactly-how-infla ... d-omega-3/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-020 ... xCount=157

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/31/5/986
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2553688/

[MD]

quinoa is laden with protein. It's allegedly in the "super-food" category. On the list for interplanetary missions. Not great fun to eat though. You have to chew the tiny grains thoroughly or they poop out like under chewed corn. Might be a bit of an over share there...

[jedrider]

My wife likes to make a salad with quinoa, almost like a mediterranean coucous salad.

Very nice explanation Tanada.

I recently started taking Dr. Gundry's Lectin Shield. There is a 90-day money back guarantee. I think it works. I'll report back. I eat a lot of vegetables and always have and very little meat of any kind, except I like Salami, so the Italian in me comes out sometimes.

I've been cutting back on my sugar intake significantly. I don't like sugar in my food, except for some in a tomato sauce which seems to make it taste better. Once I cut back my sugar intake, I could recognize a sugar high by the headache it would give me, so those foods are no longer even desirable.

Just got back from a trip to Guatemala and the food seems so much better there. I wonder if how we grow our vegetables tips the balance on these plant poisons. You know, ANGRY plants perhaps that don't like all this artificial fertilizer that they are exclusively fed.

[Newfie]

Funny, right now in Luperon, Dominican Republic. It’s a poor place but has much dignity. I’ve noticed many things on first inspection including how clean the town is, very little RUBBISH in the streets or water.

I also noticed NO obesity. The folks all seem to have a bit of a paunch, a little fat, a bit over weight, kinda like me. ZERO 300+ pounders. I don’t think I saw a single 250 pounder.

Food is fresh. Lots of vegetables in little street side shops. Fresh, real fresh, meat in the butcher shops. We bought a street cooked chicken, not bbq, but kinda roasted over coals; the best chicken I’ve ever had. Bought a couple of pound balls of fresh mozzarella, had that tonight with some cucumber and onion in a marinade. Lunch was the mid-day special at the “fancy” marina restaurant: rice & beans, fresh salad, chicken (very good) at $3/plate.

But for some reason fruit is scarse here. Puerto Plata is a much bigger town 10 miles East, they have lots of citrus fruit. But here? Nope, could not find an orange this afternoon. Weird.