[PrestonSturges]

FBI will not call this terrorism yet and won't release the shooter's names. If they were right wing white conservatives, we would know everything about them at this point. Probably waiting to hear Obama's spin on it before they commit to anything.

Still lost in your fantasy world, watching the cartoons playing in your head....

[Cog]

FBI will not call this terrorism yet and won't release the shooter's names. If they were right wing white conservatives, we would know everything about them at this point. Probably waiting to hear Obama's spin on it before they commit to anything.

Still lost in your fantasy world, watching the cartoons playing in your head....

I've been around long enough to know how politics plays into mass shootings. Perhaps if you came out of your mom's basement, you could learn how the real world works.

[Cog]

Listening to the derp on CNN about guns gives me a headache. AR-15 type rifles?? It either is one or it is not one. They are probably using this useful graphic.

[Subjectivist]

A man and a woman connected to a mass shooting that left 14 people dead and 17 wounded in San Bernardino were killed in a firefight with police officers after a car chase Wednesday, authorities said.

Two law enforcement sources identified one of the suspects as Syed Farook. Two separate law enforcement sources said one of the suspected gunmen was an American citizen, but declined to identify them.

Public records show a person named Syed R. Farook was employed by the San Bernardino County Health department as an environmental health specialist, but it was not clear if that was the same person involved in the shooting.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

[Cog]

The meeting at the facility was a Christmas party for San Bernardino county officials. If this is the same guy, the White House will try to spin this as work place violence and not Islamic terrorism. The presence of pipe bombs, IED's and multiple shooters tells me it is the latter.

This might be a style that radicalized Muslims are going to use. Attack places where you work. You already know about the security of the place, how many people are going to be there. etc. Not every terrorist attack has to be in Times Square to have an impact.

The FBI will check this guy inside and out to determine if he has a direct connection to Islamic terror groups. He might turn out to be someone like the Fort Hood shooter. Became radicalized and wanted to execute jihad on his own. Either way, its not work place violence.

[Newfie]

Let's see. Multiple shooters so that leaves out the lone wolf nut job like in Colorado Springs. Pipe bombs and vests show this was some sort of planned event. Sounds like some home-grown jihadists to me or possible south of the border cartel type of deal. By tonight we will have some answers.

If its Jihadists then Newfie can eat some crow. If they aren't, serve me up a plate of black bird.

I never said they were or were not. I was pointing out your knee jerk reaction. Hell, you STILL don't know, just speculation.

Go back and read again. Slow down and THINK!

[Cog]

Let's see. Multiple shooters so that leaves out the lone wolf nut job like in Colorado Springs. Pipe bombs and vests show this was some sort of planned event. Sounds like some home-grown jihadists to me or possible south of the border cartel type of deal. By tonight we will have some answers.

If its Jihadists then Newfie can eat some crow. If they aren't, serve me up a plate of black bird.

I never said they were or were not. Go back and read again. Slow down and THINK!

I've been following the story since the first shot was fired. You wanted to intimate that it wasn't Islamic terrorism because I posted an ISIS tweet and I was duped into the terrorists narrative. By all indications it was Islamic terrorism.

Eat your crow Newfie and quit back-pedaling.

[Newfie]

Always trying to make a fight huh Cog.

Ain't no back peddling.

You've been following since the first shot was fired huh? How's that happen? You know when it's going happen, got some inside info there ol buddy?

Maybe we should just sorta spread it around ol Cog knows when the terrorist are gonna strike?

I'm sure the FBI would be all interested in your inside scoop.

Really Cog, your paranoia is getting to you. Sitting around listening to scanners waiting for something to happen. What a life.

[Cog]

Always trying to make a fight huh Cog.

Ain't no back peddling.

You've been following since the first shot was fired huh? How's that happen? You know when it's going happen, got some inside info there ol buddy?

Maybe we should just sorta spread it around ol Cog knows when the terrorist are gonna strike?

I'm sure the FBI would be all interested in your inside scoop.

Really Cog, your paranoia is getting to you. Sitting around listening to scanners waiting for something to happen. What a life.

Get to eating.

[Cog]

Female suspect named.
Fox News just named the 2nd suspect: "Tiep Bin Ardogan" - 28 year old citizen of Qatar

Maybe they are Amish.

[careinke]

I don't know, I think I'm starting to see a pattern here....

BTW Qatar's main/state religion;

Wahhabi / Salafi version of Sunni Islam is the state sponsored brand of Islam in Qatar.

wiki.

[SeaGypsy]

My guess is they don't want to call it an IS attack because then anything done in aid of IS would definitely qualify as enemy aid & treasonous beyond argument.

[careinke]

Well it appears Farooq worked for the people who were attacked. The female was his fiancée.

So I am sure this will be spun into "the shooters are actually the victims" because it was: 1. The function that got shot up was a Christmas party and they were not only offended, but not offered a safe room to go to. 2. The recent negative talk about Muslims after the Paris shootings tipped them over the edge. 3. If gun laws were firmer, this would have never happened in the first place.

SEE, America is still the bad guy, and we can blame it on the conservatives. No need to watch the news for the next few days, I already told you how this will be turned, er turn out.

[Cog]

They are already running with #3.

[Pops]

The guy worked for the health department, known hotbed of environmental extremism.
It's the treehuggers fault.

[Subjectivist]

The guy worked for the health department, known hotbed of environmental extremism.
It's the treehuggers fault.

I know you are trying to be funny, but nobody is laughing.

[Pops]

Might as well, "being serious" does nothing.

The NRA says mass shootings are covered under the bill of rights.

More than one a day.

That is how often, on average, shootings that left four or more people wounded or dead occurred in the United States this year, according to compilations of episodes derived from news reports.

Including the worst mass shooting of the year, which unfolded horrifically on Wednesday in San Bernardino, Calif., a total of 462 people have died and 1,314 have been wounded in such attacks this year, many of which occurred on streets or in public settings, the databases indicate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/ho ... -show.html

[AgentR11]

If you want to "be serious", that doesn't seem like very many dead people. Compared to what we kill being stupid on the roads. Understanding scale *is* important. Seriously.

If we want to talk about domestic, public safety, lets get a ton more cops out there, point'n those radar guns, watching people zig and zag, and a ton more license suspensions for being dumb; that'll save far more lives than this hollywood bs. And no being nice for DWI... go to jail. Directly to jail. Stay there. You proved you were willing to roll the dice on killing people; you should be treated like it. 6 month mandatory minimum, 3 months without parole or release possibility.

If we want to talk serious on public safety. Great.

If you just want a political issue that you know is safe because nothing can actually pass nor fundamentally change, then sure, carry on. Just be honest with yourself about what you're up to.

However, these were terrorists; if they bought the guns here, it was only because it was convenient, not because of necessity. France has extremely tight gun laws, didn't bother their terrorists in the slightest.

[Tanada]

Let us not forget they also had at least two sets of bombs, thrown pipe bombs and explosive laden remote control toy cars. Oh and the favored terrorist tactic of using knives to kill hostages quietly while negotiating with authorities, or wearing a bomb vest and mixing into a crowd.

Guns can kill people, but the vast majority of those who have died from terrorists have used bombs. In case you forgot using bombs or murdering people or using bombs to murder people are all illegal and carry very high penalties.

Pretending extreme gun control like that practiced in France or Norway will do anything to deal with this type of attack is either delusional or a politically motivated lie. Don't let yourself be deluded.

[Ibon]

If we want to talk about domestic, public safety, lets get a ton more cops out there, point'n those radar guns, watching people zig and zag, and a ton more license suspensions for being dumb; that'll save far more lives than this hollywood bs. And no being nice for DWI... go to jail. Directly to jail. Stay there. You proved you were willing to roll the dice on killing people; you should be treated like it. 6 month mandatory minimum, 3 months without parole or release possibility..

The deterrence we currently have does moderate driving habits. It could be assumed that more regulation and enforcement would further reduce, not eliminate highway fatalities.

This is actually advocating stricter regulation. Why do we so easily embrace this when it comes to traffic and fail miserably at being rational about this when it comes to firearms.

Like I mentioned to Cog, he proved with his own statistics that concealed carry owners are not in the statistics of gun violence. They go through regulations and vetting. Why not anyone who owns a gun. The very folks against gun regulation are the ones who were regulated in order to have the privilege, not the right, to carry. This is cognitive dissonance as they mentally masterbate about the 2nd amendment.