[AdamB]

return to the original UN plan to negotiate a global climate treaty at the UN that will require reductions in CO2 emissions.

Why would you think a different treaty would be more successful? How would you reduce CO2 if you needed to?

How do you think our most prolific globe trotter with planes, trains, ships and automobiles would answer that question? Not once has Plant suggested she would curtail any of her globe trotting at all, after all, globe trotting is important, and not once has she mentioned how she might reduce her super CO2 emitter status.

[Plantagenet]

CO2 reduction plans are well underway as far as I can see. The covid lockdowns were a good start, next will probably be a massive collapse of the financial system. No money, not purchasing fuel or chinese product, ergo lower emissions. It's the logical tool and the markets are ripe for it. It could have happened in 2008 if they hadn't stepped in with QE. Let it happen again and this time have a hands off approach and the markets will be wiped out. Imagine the reductions in CO2 if all the pension funds worldwide are wiped out.

Of course you are right.

AND if the TPTB really wanted to stop global warming that's what they would do....just let the inevitable financial collapse happen now.

But what I see is a desperate attempt from Biden and other global leaders to keep Business as Usual (BAU) going as long as possible.

Instead of letting the economy slow down and then downsizing to reduce CO2 emissions the plan is to spend trillions on entirely new factories to build EVs, and more trillions mining lithium and refining it into EV batteries, and many more trillions paying Ford and other giant corporations to build new EV factories and new battery factories and new chargers from sea to shining sea, and many many more trillions for subsidies to convince consumers to buy EVs.

And that means we're going to get more and more and MORE and MORE CO2 going into the atmosphere and producing higher and higher global temperatures.



Cheers!

[Newfie]

CO2 reduction plans are well underway as far as I can see. The covid lockdowns were a good start, next will probably be a massive collapse of the financial system. No money, not purchasing fuel or chinese product, ergo lower emissions. It's the logical tool and the markets are ripe for it. It could have happened in 2008 if they hadn't stepped in with QE. Let it happen again and this time have a hands off approach and the markets will be wiped out. Imagine the reductions in CO2 if all the pension funds worldwide are wiped out.

While I HOPE you are correct I am not sure if it.

It is also possible that in the relative short term degrowth could see a return to coal plants to keep the lights on. Or wood and charcoal as a cooking source.

Demand destruction for consumer goods is a good thing. But we need to climb down gracefully, not just leap into the baby's. And I see zero sign of that gracefully climb down.

[theluckycountry]

While I HOPE you are correct I am not sure if it.

It is also possible that in the relative short term degrowth could see a return to coal plants to keep the lights on. Or wood and charcoal as a cooking source.

Demand destruction for consumer goods is a good thing. But we need to climb down gracefully, not just leap into the baby's. And I see zero sign of that gracefully climb down.

We need to, yes. But the elite super-wealthy are known to make a lot of money buying up assets in distressed situations. But that aside, the Great depression, I believe, was more about creating the circumstances where the Global public would willingly surrender their Gold currency. It doesn't sound like much but it set the stage for unlimited money printing and the average citizen had no savings protection from that point on. It's clear to me that the next Great depression will be used as a trigger to remove cash money from the average consumer worldwide. Then the banking system can charge what they like in fees for you to access their money. Because it will be their money then, not treasury dept money.

We see the beginnings of this already with the surcharges CC and even EFTPOS transactions. These fees are not small either in many cases. Imagine when every transaction has a surcharge? Removing cash from the economy is like pulling teeth but as a "solution" to a global economic collapse it will be accepted by all, the same way the appropriation of Gold was in 1933. Just before it's value went up 50%

[theluckycountry]

In Phoenix, Heat Becomes a Brutal Test of Endurance

July 11, 2023

Arizona is used to scorching summers, but the region’s 11th straight day of 110-degree temperatures is straining patience and resources. Summers in Phoenix are now a brutal endurance match. As the climate warms, forecasters say that dangerous levels of heat crank up earlier in the year, last longer — often well past Halloween — and lock America’s hottest big city in a sweltering straitjacket.

In triple-digit heat, monkey bars singe children’s hands, water bottles warp and seatbelts feel like hot irons. Devoted runners strap on headlamps to go jogging at 4 a.m., when it is still only 90 degrees, come home drenched in sweat and promptly roll down the sun shutters.

A relentless heat wave is broiling the Southwest, with some 50 million people across the United States now facing dangerous temperatures. Forecasters say that the current streak of consecutive 110-degree days may end up being the longest Phoenix has ever seen, potentially breaking an 18-day record set in 1974.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/us/p ... -wave.html?

[jawagord]

In Phoenix, Heat Becomes a Brutal Test of Endurance

July 11, 2023

Arizona is used to scorching summers, but the region’s 11th straight day of 110-degree temperatures is straining patience and resources. Summers in Phoenix are now a brutal endurance match. As the climate warms, forecasters say that dangerous levels of heat crank up earlier in the year, last longer — often well past Halloween — and lock America’s hottest big city in a sweltering straitjacket.

In triple-digit heat, monkey bars singe children’s hands, water bottles warp and seatbelts feel like hot irons. Devoted runners strap on headlamps to go jogging at 4 a.m., when it is still only 90 degrees, come home drenched in sweat and promptly roll down the sun shutters.

A relentless heat wave is broiling the Southwest, with some 50 million people across the United States now facing dangerous temperatures. Forecasters say that the current streak of consecutive 110-degree days may end up being the longest Phoenix has ever seen, potentially breaking an 18-day record set in 1974.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/us/p ... -wave.html?

So you saying the weather in Phoenix is the same this July as it was 49 years ago in July, hot, hot, hot? Fortunately air conditioning has made this area and other southern states in the US liveable in the hot summer months to go with the highly desirably warm climate in winter months.

[theluckycountry]

Globalists Suggest "Finance Shock" And Climate Controls To Launch Their Great Reset

Globalists are now combining the climate change issue with international finance and monetary authority. In other words, they aren’t hiding the fact that the climate change agenda is part of the “Great Reset” agenda anymore. They are even suggesting that the threat of climate change be used as a springboard for giving global banks more power to dictate the circulation of wealth and for deconstucting the existing system so it can be replaced with something else.

French President Emmanuel Macron told delegates at the Paris summit that “the world needs a public finance shock” to fight global warming while also creating “equity” for less wealthy nations. He also argued that the current system was not well suited to address the world’s challenges.

https://alt-market.us/globalists-sugges ... eat-reset/

"A public finance shock" What that equates to a GFC event, though one there will be no recovery from. Not if the stated goals are to achieved. The only thing that brought markets back in the other collapses was massive infusions of capital by the Fed and banks.

Of course the converging disasters like the end of the oil age, the resource depletion curve, and the mountains of unpayable debts worldwide, would precipitate this "finance shock" regardless. But here we get a little peek behind the curtain, an admission if you like that the current state of affairs in finance and markets is being propped up, controlled, until the point in time when the elite classes running these systems decide to pull the pin, all for the greater good of the climate of course.

It's a true conspiracy this one, planned behind closed doors in bug-proof rooms no doubt. As good a conspiracy as the one that founded the federal reserve bank over a century ago. You would have to be asleep, "Dreaming the Great American Dream" to not be able to see that the world must change from its proliferate consumer ways to one of austerity.

It is this very trigger, the collapse of the global investment markets, stocks, housing, bonds etc, and of the financial system, banks, insurance, etc, it is this I have been preparing for for well over a decade now. In the case of this one it's better to be ten years early than a day too late. Sitting before your screen reading how the banks are closed "temporarily" and the stock market has been likewise closed for business due to high "volatility" Does anyone remember when the markets were closed for nearly a week after 9/11? Do they remember what the prices were before and after that closure?



Yes it recovered, that time. And in the GFC. But the "public finance shock” described in the article above won't have a recovery, that would defeat the purpose.

[Newfie]

I suspect the globalist movement is dead. Russia and China have seen to that, unintentionally.

[Tanada]

I suspect the globalist movement is dead. Russia and China have seen to that, unintentionally.

Why would you think it is unintentional? The Chinese version of Communism has evolved into a kind of nationalist socialism which seeks to better the position of China on the world stage. They gain nothing and in fact lose power by supporting the Globalist agenda. Russia on the other hand spent the 1990's and 2010's trying to play along with the Globalists only to see all their efforts either laughed at or betrayed. What possible motivation do they have today for supporting such an agenda?

[theluckycountry]

I suppose it's not a stretch to imagine the BRICS nations go off in their own direction, peacefully, and that the core of the West follows its own agenda. The totalitarian future we may face under a one world authoritarian system would be no different to the one they could face, after all the leaders China and Russia are already that way, China more so at the moment but I could see Russia sliding back into some sort of oppressive system quite easily. The other nations, Brazil, SA, well they are already political basket cases, and Saudi Arabia is quite the totalitarian regime. India is an interesting place but it's people for the most part live in abject poverty.

I could envisage a sort of Cold War type of global system, them and us.

[theluckycountry]

Nature Communications
Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w
Published: 25 July 2023

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is a major tipping element in the climate system and a future collapse would have severe impacts on the climate in the North Atlantic region. In recent years weakening in circulation has been reported, but assessments by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), based on the Climate Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP) model simulations suggest that a full collapse is unlikely within the 21st century.

I would expect nothing less from the IPCC

A forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is a major concern as it is one of the most important tipping elements in Earth’s climate system. In recent years, model studies and paleoclimatic reconstructions indicate that the strongest abrupt climate fluctuations, the Dansgaard-Oeschger events, are connected to the bimodal nature of the AMOC. Numerous climate model studies show a hysteresis behavior, where changing a control parameter, typically the freshwater input into the Northern Atlantic, makes the AMOC bifurcate through a set of co-dimension one saddle-node bifurcations

My apologies for the overly scientific wordieness of the post, but these guys are at the forefront and the science is unfiltered by media translations. With this sort of stuff I find it's best to just read over/past the technobabble and unfamiliar calculus as the real story still comes out.

From here on I have edited the paper to reflect such a method of reading.

When complex systems, such as the overturning circulation, undergo critical transitions by changing a control parameter, (freshwater input?) a structural change in the dynamics happens. The previously statistically stable state ceases to exist and the system moves to a different statistically stable state, which can happen in a limited number of ways. Besides a decline of the AMOC before the critical transition, there are early-warning signals (EWSs), statistical quantities, which also change before the tipping happens.

Figure 1b.. obtained from the Hadley Centre Sea Ice and Sea Surface Temperature data set.. shows the Subpolar gyre anomaly and global mean anomaly with a clear global warming trend in the last half of the record. The AMOC fingerprint for the period 1870–2020 is shown. This is the basis for the analysis. It has been reported that this and similar AMOC indices show significant trends, indicating early warning of a shutdown of the AMOC. However, a trend like this, within a limited period of observation could be a random fluctuation. Thus, for a robust assessment of the shutdown, it is necessary to establish a statistical confidence level for the change above the natural fluctuations. Here we establish such a measure of the confidence.

The typical choice of control parameter is the flux of freshwater into the North Atlantic. River runoff, Greenland ice melt and export from the Arctic Ocean are not well constrained; thus, we do not assume the control parameter known.. All we assume here is that the AMOC is in an equilibrium state prior to a change toward the transition. The simplest uninformed assumption is that the change is sufficiently slow and that the control parameter approaches the (unknown) critical value linearly with time. This assumption is confirmed by a close fit of the estimated model to the observed AMOC fingerprint.

Although we make no explicit assumptions, the primary driver of climate change, the logarithm of the atmospheric CO2 concentration, does, in fact, increase close to linearly with time in the industrial period. Our results are robust without making specific assumptions regarding the driver of the AMOC. In this work, we show that a transition of the AMOC is most likely to occur around 2025-2095 (95% confidence interval).

Well that's the "Abstract" the gist of it, you can wade through the rest if you're interested but I just take their word for it as another example of scientists in the field predicting the onset of what is a recurring established fact. That ocean circulation has shut down in the past and with disastrous consequences for the inhabitants of northern Europe and possibly north America. No more balmy British weather, no more grapes in France.

[Newfie]

I think the "shut down" will take some time. Tremendous momentum in that system.

I have seen the Gulf Steam doing 6+ knots about S Carolina.

[Newfie]

I suspect the globalist movement is dead. Russia and China have seen to that, unintentionally.

Why would you think it is unintentional? The Chinese version of Communism has evolved into a kind of nationalist socialism which seeks to better the position of China on the world stage. They gain nothing and in fact lose power by supporting the Globalist agenda. Russia on the other hand spent the 1990's and 2010's trying to play along with the Globalists only to see all their efforts either laughed at or betrayed. What possible motivation do they have today for supporting such an agenda?

China is relatively resource poor, they are highly reliant on energy, food and mineral imports. Then they need someone to buy all their products. That is why they are invested in the belt and road, they need that transportation.

Now that is not to say that Xi sees things differently and is trying to build along the model you propose. That could help explain a lot of their emerging problems. Their debt is massive, their housing market a wreck, they are in the unique position of both running out of youthful workers while having having very large youth unemployment.

That said, it is apparently very difficult to get decent data put of China.

Also, did you notice that the new Foreign Minister has now disappeared, the old FM now has his job back. The disappeared guy was a Xi insider. But apparently that is why Kerry and Yellen did not get an audience, the FM was not around.

[theluckycountry]

I think the "shut down" will take some time. Tremendous momentum in that system.

I have seen the Gulf Steam doing 6+ knots about S Carolina.

Amazing when you think about it, not just on the surface either but down in the deep ocean, at the site of the titanic, large currents moving. The energy involved is mind boggling! Imagine if you could tap into them with submerged windmills. Not the deep stuff of course but currents nearer to the surface.

[Newfie]

It is an interesting bit of water to sail through.

When the current and wind are in opposition you can rapidly get very nasty conditions. We had a taste of that 18 months ago. We started crossing the stream in near calm, a bit over half way through a 15 knot loop ind came from the NE, bucking the current. Then we got nasty relatively high waves but very disorganized making steering miserable. I got to the point where I fell asleep at the wheel and my Wife took over for a few hours. We were at no time in danger but clearly understood that the only way to stop the washing machine was to plug on. About daybreak we were mostly out. Miserable night. God bless my Wife.

[FamousDrScanlon]

If the PTB were anything other than rapacious cancer chimps blindly following the dictates of evolution & thermodynamics, they would have never let Overshoot consequences go from manageable problems to existential predicaments.

Temperatures reach 110 degrees for record 25th straight day in Phoenix as summer swelter continues -- Tue, July 25, 2023


"It's not necessarily cool at night, either. Another streak was extended on Monday when the low was recorded at 94 degrees in Phoenix, making it 14 days in a row with lows above 90, which is another national record among larger U.S. cities,"

"Phoenix's streak of days over 110 degrees, which now sits at 25, broke the previous record of 18 days which was set in 1974"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wea ... 461344007/
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25th July 2023 Today’s Round-Up of Climate News - by Panopticon
Jul 25, 2023 - 24 comments

https://climateandeconomy.com/2023/07/2 ... mate-news/

[Plantagenet]

If the PTB were anything other than rapacious cancer chimps ... they would have never let Overshoot consequences go from manageable problems to existential predicaments.

Temperatures reach 110 degrees for record 25th straight day in Phoenix as summer swelter continues -- Tue, July 25, 2023

Yup. You'd think it would be obvious to everyone in the world now that runaway global warming has arrived....we've got three major heat domes on three continents all simultaneously broiling hundred of millions of people.

But no.

The people who run the governments all over the world are doing ......nothing.

In the US senile old Joe Biden should immediately declare a climate emergency and take steps to immediately reduce CO2 emissions, but he can't do it because all his supposed climate change initiatives involve doing things and building things that emit huge amounts of CO2. Joe Biden is a climate criminal who is personally responsible for huge amounts of CO2 emissions.

Same thing all around the world.

TPTB literally can't take steps to reduce CO2 emissions. All they do is spend more and manipulate their cronies in the corporate world who want to sell more....and that means more and more and more CO2 and more and more and more global warming.


Joe Biden and the other world leaders and liberal hypocrites who talk about global warming while personally emitting huge amounts of CO2 are climate criminals.

Cheers!

[theluckycountry]

Climate change is like financial collapse, it's only real to the average person when it's knocking on their own door. But by then it's too late of course. My Neighbor loaned against his house to buy two new cars a couple of years back, I spent savings to install a couple of solar systems, one On one Off-grid. Now interest rates have risen a lot and so has his power bill (5 kids, $800 a quarter) He can't even afford new tires but he can have his StarBucks coffee 3 or 4 times a week. Gotta get your priorities right haven't you...

You own a beautiful home on the beach or by a river and you don't believe in AGW, fine, but when the ocean is regularly flooding your streets or floods are occurring every 5~10 years, good luck trying to sell your house to move to higher ground. Hundreds of thousands, probably millions are in this very boat today.

At the end of the day it's every man (or LGBTQ for his/her/them/they) selves, and they will pay the price for believing the TV when it told them everything would be fine, that we have limitless oil and that we don't need it anyway because we have renewables now. Meanwhile they sit at home with a pile of bills in front of them wondering how things could have gotten so out of hand.

This global warming is out of hand already, it, along with the western wars in middle east is blamed for the mass migrations into northern Europe, crop failures in the Arab regions, due to climate changes a part of it. Well the elite don't care, they can afford to spend the northern summer down here on an estate in Tasmania, then back to the North when our Summer arrives. Of course these extremes are not everywhere, there are many places that are moderate, in the US even, Flagstaff AZ is only 100 miles from Phoenix 83 °F today.

No need to fry in the US, move to Flagstaff AZ. that's the secret BTW, Move! While you still can, if you can.

https://www.flagstaffrealestate.site/ne ... ?idxpage=2

[theluckycountry]

Before you move anywhere though, check the major stats.

Crime in Flagstaff, Arizona
The crime rate in Flagstaff, AZ is lower than the national average. Violent crime in Flagstaff is 17.9 compared to the US average of 22.7, and property crime in Flagstaff is 56.9 compared to the US average of 35.4

Demographics
Race White 72.6%
Black or African American 1.5%
American Indian and Alaska Native 9.2%
Asian 2.6%

Firearms
Anyone over 18 can purchase, own, and openly carry a firearm

Enough Said. Good place, just buy well away from the city center itself but not in a remote rural area, and secure your home well. Kachina Village perhaps?

[FamousDrScanlon]

Here's a fun resource & a bunch of statistics for you WEIRD humans.

Extreme temperatures around the world
The most reliable and updated collection of extreme temperatures on the WEB!

EXTREME TEMPERATURES AROUND THE WORLD RELATED LINKS

National and Continental Extreme Temperatures includes the national extreme temperatures with dates and sources.

Monthly Temperatures Records includes the world and continental extreme temperatures month by month.It also includes statistics of temperature records by latitude and altitude.

Countries without frost includes a list of the countries where frost has never been recorded.

Snowfalls by country includes a detailed list by country of the most rare snowfalls and the countries where snow has never been recorded.

Glaciers by country includes a detailed list of the countries with glaciers and with permanent snowpatches.

Extreme Temperatures Around the World news now on Twitter !

LIST OF TEMPERATURE RECORDS BETWEEN 2002 AND 2010 -CLICK HERE
LIST OF TEMPERATURE RECORDS BETWEEN 2011 AND 2020 -CLICK HERE
LIST OF TEMPERATURE RECORDS BETWEEN 2021 AND 2022 -CLICK HERE
Temperature Records during 2023: .....

https://www.mherrera.org/temp.htm
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How the West became WEIRD

Joseph Henrich thinks many people reading this are probably WEIRD. He means no offense, only that they were raised in a society that is Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic. About a decade ago, Henrich coined the term after determining that individuals from such cultures tend to exhibit a specific combination of psychological characteristics. Now, he’s put it all in a new book called “The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous.” In it, he lays out how people from these societies differ psychologically from most other people throughout human history. The Gazette interviewed Henrich, who is a professor in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology and its chair, on what being WEIRD is all about.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... societies/