[Sys1]

In Paris (and most of France beside far south), it's almost cold, raining one out two days for three weeks.
After having heard for months on mainstream medias that El Nino combined to global warming would make summer hellish in France just like 2003 if not more, it's pretty funny.
It even snows in the Alps.

[Newfie]

Tanada,

I think you are spot on. But it is not that people are being disingenuous (well some are but) it is that we humans have a really hard time understanding longer time frames. If it is gonna happen 20?+ years or more well then why worry? So the CC crowd drag the event forward, because it scares them they put a closer date on it.

I have myself changed over the decades, I am a different thinker now than before, hopefully better. But it is a slow slog on along road.

I still worry about CC but for my grandchildren and their decendants.

[theluckycountry]

In Paris (and most of France beside far south), it's almost cold, raining one out two days for three weeks.
After having heard for months on mainstream medias that El Nino combined to global warming would make summer hellish in France just like 2003 if not more, it's pretty funny.
It even snows in the Alps.

Sounds like you need to turn off the TV and read some credible scientific media. Weather Porn, like all TV is not worth anything. El Nino (an irregularly occurring and complex series of climatic changes affecting the equatorial Pacific region and beyond) as in a little bit elsewhere.

Les conséquences d'El Niño en France et en Europe sont limitées voire nulles1. Toutefois, les observations lors des précédentes phases du phénomène indiquent un temps plus dépressionnaire que la normale mais aussi plus chaud que la normale2. El Niño peut influencer indirectement l’arrivée de pluies torrentielles, de sécheresses et d’une
https://www.tameteo.com/actualites/scie ... monde.html

Translation:
The consequences of El Niño in France and Europe are limited or non-existent1. However, observations during previous phases of the phenomenon indicate a more low-pressure weather than normal but also warmer than normal2. El Niño can indirectly influence the arrival of torrential...

[theluckycountry]

Well it was the hottest year on record.

Apocalyptic Scenes Emerge from Hawaii Wildfires
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvWyw2ECYYQ

SUMMER OF WILDFIRES

The situation in Hawaii recalled scenes of devastation elsewhere in the world this summer, as wildfires caused by record-setting heat forced the evacuation of tens of thousands of people in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other parts of Europe, and western Canada suffered unusually severe fires.

Human-caused climate change, driven by fossil fuel use, is increasing the frequency and intensity of such extreme weather events, scientists say, having long warned that government officials must slash emissions to prevent climate catastrophe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/wind-f ... 023-08-09/

[Plantagenet]

SUMMER OF WILDFIRES
The situation in Hawaii recalled scenes of devastation elsewhere in the world this summer, as wildfires caused by record-setting heat forced the evacuation of tens of thousands of people in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other parts of Europe, and western Canada suffered unusually severe fires.....
scientists say..... that government officials must slash emissions to prevent climate catastrophe.

Exactly right.

But unfortunately our political leaders and government officials aren't doing doodly to slash emissions.

Here in the USA we've got Joe Biden doing nothing as US oil production rises again to record levels.

At the UN level we're stuck with the phony Paris Climate Accords which required exactly ZERO carbon emission cuts.

And In China and India they are building coal-fired power plants as quick as they can throw them up, pushing CO2 emissions to ever higher levels.

In fact, China has just introduced new technology that makes it possible to mine even very thin coal seams, so they can mine and burn every tiny bit of coal in their whole frickin country.

china-taps-thinner-coal-seams-as-energy-security-drives-push-for-fossil-fuel

Lahaina is just the start.


More cities and towns and forests and countrysides are gonna burn as the planet continues to heat up. AND every fire releases even more CO2, making the next one even more likely.

SHEESH!!!!!

[theluckycountry]

Yes, well if you're rich you can afford air-conditioning and a summer house in a cool place. I must admit the longer I am aware of global warming the less I care about it. Just human nature I guess? Although yesterday I had a wakeup call. I set fire to a cardboard box and nearly burnt a hole in a poly water-tank by flicking a cigarette butt into the garden. "Global warming endangers Australian Water Supply"
It's the first time in all my years I have seen a fire start that way. You can literally drop a butt into a bowl of petrol and it won't ignite it. Must have just been the very dry weather combined with a gentle breeze. I'll be more careful in the future! "Australians Learn Lesson about Fire Dangers"

Then there was the time I nearly burned the back fence down by tossing fire ashes into the garden. I was sure they were spent, It had been 24 hours, but one hot coal must have been in the mix. Thankfully the smoke awoke me at 2AM, no fire, just a slow smoldering burn across the mulch to the fence. Be careful out there boys and girls.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Yes, well if you're rich you can afford air-conditioning and a summer house in a cool place. I must admit the longer I am aware of global warming the less I care about it. Just human nature I guess? Although yesterday I had a wakeup call. I set fire to a cardboard box and nearly burnt a hole in a poly water-tank by flicking a cigarette butt into the garden. "Global warming endangers Australian Water Supply"
It's the first time in all my years I have seen a fire start that way. You can literally drop a butt into a bowl of petrol and it won't ignite it. Must have just been the very dry weather combined with a gentle breeze. I'll be more careful in the future! "Australians Learn Lesson about Fire Dangers"

Then there was the time I nearly burned the back fence down by tossing fire ashes into the garden. I was sure they were spent, It had been 24 hours, but one hot coal must have been in the mix. Thankfully the smoke awoke me at 2AM, no fire, just a slow smoldering burn across the mulch to the fence. Be careful out there boys and girls.

Interestingly in June this year I was fitting PV installation for a guy in my area and he dropped a butt of cigarette to a cardboard box and it have also started fire. I got quite alarmed for a moment thinking that my job on his electric installation have started a fire but no, it was a butt of cigarette what we have both found out. It was long drought at the time, about 6-8 weeks, with high temperatures and no rain at all.

[theluckycountry]

Yeah, I told my story to the head of the local rural firefighters and expected him to say that butts were a major cause of fires, but not so. It's typically people being stupid with fire, or like the callout they had 3 weeks ago, some guy using an angle grinder in a paddock that started a fire. I also metioned that I had used the cardboard box as a stand for a little spray painting and he said, "that wouldn't have helped"

[Plantagenet]

Here in Alaska most of our wild fires are caused by lightning strikes during summer storms.

It turns out that one unexpected side effect of global warming is that it makes lighting much more common.

limate-change-makes-lightning-more-likely-heres-why-thats-a-big-deal

No doubt many fires get started by deranged arsonists and careless smokers and such, but we're inevitably going to have more forest fires just because the number of lightning strikes is increasing due to global warming.



Cheers!

[theluckycountry]

Here in Alaska most of our wild fires are caused by lightning strikes during summer storms.

A 2016 paper in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society showed that human-caused climate change increased the risk of extreme fire seasons in Alaska by 34 percent to 60 percent by drying out fuels, he said. Trees, grass, shrubs and tundra are more flammable with warmer temperatures if the warmth is not offset by wetter conditions.

...Global warming has been thawing tundra and drying vast stretches of the far-northern boreal forests, and it also has spurred more thunderstorms with lightning

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1107 ... conditions.

[godq3]

[Tuike]

Global one-day temperature spikes above 2C for first time: EU monitor -phys.org

[Tanada]

Global one-day temperature spikes above 2C for first time: EU monitor -phys.org

I find this report very strange in that global climate temperatures are averaged over 30 to 100 years depending on the study. How can a "Global average" be 2 C above normal when temperatures are judged on long time spans not unusual daily records? Record highs and lows have always taken place as the length of the instrumented record grows.

[Pops]

I saw this the other day too and had to ponder too

I would guess if I had a record of Nov. 22 highs for my location over some period, say 1850-1900 and the temperature today, 22/11/23 is over 2º higher I could say it exceeded the pre-carbon avg by 2º

If I had the same data for 100 or 1,000 sites world wide and 22/11 exceeded the historic average for that date I could say the same for the entire earth.

Like anything else it depends on how reliable the data is. I don't have the expertise to make a judgment on that, guess I have to go with the people who are supposed to know.

[jedrider]

Global one-day temperature spikes above 2C for first time: EU monitor -phys.org

I find this report very strange in that global climate temperatures are averaged over 30 to 100 years depending on the study. How can a "Global average" be 2 C above normal when temperatures are judged on long time spans not unusual daily records? Record highs and lows have always taken place as the length of the instrumented record grows.

"The global average temperature on Friday was more than two degrees Celsius hotter than pre-industrial levels for the first time on record, Europe's Copernicus climate monitor said Monday, adding Saturday likely continued the unprecedented warming streak."

It says what is says. They have a pre-industrial average they have calculated which I presume remains constant until they revise that number, of course, which is just a sign post for the most part. I presume the daily average temperature of the Earth does vary over the year and between years as well. You can look at the graph that I've seen a lot of lately, that it just spikes upward like crazy.

It has everyone alarmed as it should. El Nino or our linear models are now outdated.

[theluckycountry]

El Nino or our linear models are now outdated.

Australia is in El Nino conditions and instead of being dry and hot we have had unseasonable cool weather and rain over much of the north.

Year-round navigation along Northern Sea Route
MOSCOW, November 22. /TASS/. Year-round maritime navigation along the Northern Sea Route will be ensured from 2024, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak said at a government hour in the Federation Council.

"For the development of the industry, a center for the construction of large-capacity offshore structures has been created, which can mass-produce liquefied natural gas lines in Murmansk. In this context, the Northern Sea Route is of particular importance. By instruction of the Chairman of the Government, coordinated work is underway to develop the necessary infrastructure. From 2024, year-round navigation will be ensured there," he said.

https://tass.com/economy/1710337

Because... in a warming world, you can make lots of money.

[Shaved Monkey]

El Nino or our linear models are now outdated.

Australia is in El Nino conditions and instead of being dry and hot we have had unseasonable cool weather and rain over much of the north.

My tanks are full
Im going to start pumping into the garden beds to saturate them next time it rains
Though last years La Nina it nearly rained once a week all year even in the dry season.

The last el nino bought rain to parts that didnt normally get it and none to others that did

Because... in a warming world, you can make lots of money.

Russians would probably be the biggest winners from global warming ,it will open up the north for shipping and agriculture and mining

[TheWalrus]

Been about 15 or 18 years since I posted last. Oildrum was still going. Platagenet is still here? I guess he's one of the creators of this site?

Site appears to be a shadow of its former self. Gotta hate shale for that, I guess.

We passed conventional in what? 06? Overall, maybe 2019? I can't find any graphs. OD was good for those. How hard would it be to just have a link at the top of the splash page.

Anyway, surprised that there are people who are PO aware but not CC aware. You'd figure you're versed in government guile.

Why isn't Peak Oil headline news around the word 24/7? Given that it's the most important thing that's ever going to happen, unless the lunatics in the West force WWIII on us in Ukraine and Israel.

Peak Oil explains why the U.S. is so interested in Iran and Russia.

It also explains the climate cult.

If you can't tell the world's population that the world is running out of oil, and therefore you have to stop using so much of it, then you come up with another reason.

When science has been completely overrun by government, then it's no longer science. That was made painfully, restrictively clear during SARS-CoV-2. Otherwise decent men who immediately questioned whether the virus came out of a lab, weeks later, had come down solidly on the side of the "it came from a pangolin." No evidence had changed. No new evidence had been provided. They just received phone calls and texts and emails from guys like Fauci, who funded the gain of function research and wanted that result.

CC is the same. The researchers are all being paid by the government. Their pensions depend on their conclusions. The blacklisting of competing theories in 09 (how could you ever trust them again), the use of algorithms to change historic data and the subsequent loss of the both the original data and the algorithm (LOL). The word science has no place in a world where the scientists are bought and sold. Show me the research from the man who does not need to live under the threat of termination of grants or loss of other opportunity if he does not agree with the government's version of climate.

It used to be global warming. They expanded it to climate change, because it's much more gray. Beautiful.

Heard Hurricanes have increased in number and intensity. Climate change!! Turned out not to be true, as acknowledged by the original author.

California has a historic drought (only in human times, lol)!! Whoops. Not a bit of red on that map today. Lol. Which was the climate change part again? The no rain or the extra rain?

If you're smart enough to figure out that Peak Oil is the most important thing that's going to happen in the next 50 years, short of WWIII and maybe AI, then you should be smart enough to understand that CC is a control mechanism. Al Gore got it going in the early oughts with his movie, in which the words "climate change" do not occur. Lol. It was all "global warming." But there was a problem. It was measurable. And it wasn't going up quickly enough, and then it was flat. Gulp. So they changed it to climate change.

It's all about control. Control of you and control of resources. I guess it's good in a way. The way the west has burned through the first 50 something percent of oil is, really, very, very sad.

But on my list of things to worry about, Anthropogenic Climate Change doesn't make the top 20. And that includes looking forward 100 years.

[theluckycountry]

My tanks are full
I'm going to start pumping into the garden beds to saturate them next time it rains
Though last years La Nina it nearly rained once a week all year even in the dry season.

That's a good plan, you are on property I suspect? I have a town block and one 5000L dedicated to the garden, which I typically never use aside from on one fruit tree, and one 5000L for drinking only. That's a lot of drinking water, apocalypse water lol. Mine are full as well, after only 60mm.

I don't know if you drink out one but I installed a 90mm PVC tap ahead of each tank so as when they are full the water can follow the original course along the down pipes and out to the street/garden. Conventional wisdom says buy a first flush diverter but they a so obviously inadequate for the crap that builds up on roofs in the dry I dismissed them out of hand. I even get birds nests from under the solar panels washing down, try getting them out of that little opening on the bottom of a diverter.

I keep the taps in the diverted position and typically let the first 20mm of rain clean out the gutters and roof then switch the taps over to fill the tanks. I drink the water, out here is clean, and in the city too after 20mm no doubt. But every tank installed in the city back when had a warning sticker, "Rainwater. Do not drink" A Brainless people following brainless politicians in a herd. They'd rather drink contaminated polluted town water than distilled water from 15,000 ft. You only have to taste rainwater to know the difference hey.

[theluckycountry]

Eco-hypocrites

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tin ... s-humanity