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Re-using waste heat from boiler vent

Unread postby Quinny » Tue 30 Jun 2009, 06:30:02

Our boiler is supposed to be efficient, but pumps out a load of waste heat into the atmosphere when running.

Has anyone got any experience of re-using the heat in some way?

I got thinking about this following the clothes line thread, and wondered if a drying cabinet could be produced that used the heat from the vent in some way. :idea:
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Re: Re-using waste heat from boiler vent

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 30 Jun 2009, 08:31:26

You can buy these heat recovery units at Menards. They attach to yer exhaust vent and come with a ele blower motor. Pretty simple. 8)
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Re: Re-using waste heat from boiler vent

Unread postby Schmuto » Tue 30 Jun 2009, 11:11:05

Use caution - you cool that exhaust too much, you'll get a lot of condensation, and, depending on what you're burning, potentially dangerous vent buildup.
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Re: Re-using waste heat from boiler vent

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 30 Jun 2009, 11:27:50

Schmuto wrote:Use caution - you cool that exhaust too much, you'll get a lot of condensation, and, depending on what you're burning, potentially dangerous vent buildup.



I think they increase CO too?
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Re: Re-using waste heat from boiler vent

Unread postby WatchfulEye » Thu 13 Aug 2009, 14:37:35

You can use the waste heat from the boiler - a large amount of heat is stored as latent heat in the water vapor produced by burning gas. If you can get the exhaust temp down below 55 C (130 F), it will condense and you can get nearly 10% of input heat back.

There are several problems, and retrofitting is strongly discouraged.
1. This can restrict air flow, leading to incomplete combustion, dangerous CO levels and poor efficiency heat transfer in the main heat exchanger.
2. Balanced flues as used on modern boilers use pressure monitoring systems to ensure correct and safe operation - any thing that alters flow through the vents can trip these systems causing the boiler to fail to start.
3. The vapor contains dissolved acids from the gas and when it condenses forms an extremely corrosive solution. This will eat through cheap heat exchangers and drain pipes. You need to ensure that the heat exchanger is made of high-vanadium stainless steel (cast iron, aluminum or copper won't last), similarly the drain pipe must be made of suitable plastic and drain directly into a major drain - the condensate must not be allowed to run in steel or copper piping.

Modern boilers, called 'condensing' boilers recover this heat internally. They are considerably more expensive though, because they have to use a frighteningly expensive high-corrosion resistance stainless heat exchanger, instead of the cheap cast iron in a conventional boiler. The other problem with condensing boilers is that they can't heat the water above 130 F, if they do, you lose the condensing benefit - so internal vents/radiators need to be oversized to work with the lower temperature flow.

In Europe, 'condensing' boilers are now a legal requirement. It is a felony to install a non-condensing boiler, unless you have a letter from the town planner explaining why a condensing boiler is inappropriate (e.g. historical building, where the structure of the building is protected by conservation laws, and a condensing boiler would be too large to fit in the only available place).
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Re: Re-using waste heat from boiler vent

Unread postby kanman » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 09:18:00

Some more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensing_boiler

I replaced my old boiler with one a few years ago. Noticably more eficient. As with most things engineering wise, it's best to buy a German one. And make sure the plumbers you use to fit it are approved and trained by the manufacturer.
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