DefiledEngine wrote:I suspect that when we really are racing down the rollercoaster in the present tense, and experiencing each milestone, one blow after the next, up close and personal, that a lot of that false positivity about how much better life would be after TSHTF will dissolve. Perhaps the only thing that will really satisfy me is not feeling like Chicken Little anymore, no longer having to suffer in silence.
I agree, the rollercoaster dip equals wars, upscaled competition, shortages and collapse. After that life will equal fighting and survival for the forseeable future. It's easy to fantasize while sitting on a computer chair in front of a monitor and have the real wilderness safely on the other side of the window.
That makes two who agree. The general trend is clear to see. It is all the twists and turns and deadends down the slope that will make it "interesting."
I did an Al Bartlett showing last night. Had about 16 come in. Some new younger folks who had heard of Bartlett before.
After the movie we have a discussion. One old guy was talking about CFL's and living in a condo and not having a car - that was his answer. Other discussion circulated around how to "fix" the population problem. I tried (gently) to turn the discussion to acceptance that there WOULD be a downturn in population and we should discuss how to take care of ourselves, families and social groups. But that diid not seem to take. Still I planted a seed.
IMO there are more than one type of denialist.
* Some deny AGW, or even just GW
* Some see GW but don't see excess population as the problem
* A few see population as the problem but think there is a "fix". We can still have our 'standard of living', solar will save us, etc.
* Very few see the population problem, understand growth if deadly, AND know that human nature will not allow us to alter course sufficiently to avoid some really, really bad stuff happening.
Frankly, I don't know which crowd is better off. For even if you are in the most enlightened group, if you can't figure out what to do to help yourself or kin then it does not matter and you might as well be blissfully happy in the meantime and trust in the fates.