Repent wrote:I don't think she is old enough to understand enough about history, politics, war, and economics for me to even begin to explain the full scale of the global disaster in progress.
Kristen wrote:Does anyone suggest a way to clean it up? I have a gut feeling its far too late as well, but if we can clean it up at a faster rate then we make it, we could start to slowly trim the edges off the island (Continent) a little bit.
threadbear wrote:I think in the near future a concerted effort is going to be made to go back to using glass more, and to outlaw plastics that don't automatically bio-degrade.
Ludi wrote:Virtually all materials, except radioactives and heavy metals, can be reduced to their component molecules one way or another ("refined"). Nobody bothers to do that much, though, because it can be expensive and difficult.
TWilliam wrote: The problem tho' is that it generally requires even more energy input (and consequently more pollution) than extracting and utilizing the original raw materials to begin with.
Ludi wrote:Yep, we've gotten ourselves into a hell of a mess.
TWilliam wrote:They can be, yes. The problem tho' is that it generally requires even more energy input (and consequently more pollution) than extracting and utilizing the original raw materials to begin with. This is the complaint I see again and again from virtually all recycling efforts. Of course they usually couch it in terms of 'non-profitability', but that's really what they're saying...
mos6507 wrote:But the point is that pollution and efficiency are two different things and in order to be as sustainable as possible you need to maximize efficiency but not make the planet look like Wall-E. I mean, minimizing CO2 emissions from manufacturing goods is one thing, but turning the planet into a trash dump isn't going to serve us well either.
The whole Penn & Teller BS schtick, by arguing only one side of the issue, fails to see the bigger truth that industrial civilization probably can't be sustainable at all. And if that's the case, then it ends in a crash sooner or later. It's pretty easy to argue for BAU when you only look a few years into the future with the mind of an economist.
Vogelzang wrote:There will be plenty of oil coming from Canada for years to come. Enjoy!
Cabrone wrote:With their tar sands and measures like this is Canada becoming the dirty man of North America?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-quietly-asks-epa-to-weaken-anti-pollution-measures/article1327805/?
Cabrone wrote:Vogelzang wrote:There will be plenty of oil coming from Canada for years to come. Enjoy!
Only if you think this is enjoyable.....looks more like a vision of hell to me.
Somehow I don't think this picture will be used by the Canadian tourist board anytime soon.
Serial_Worrier wrote:It's not like anyone lives near a coal-fired power plant. You don't have a god given right to have every acre of the earth in a pristine state. That is not a human right. It IS a human right not to freeze to death in winter.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Serial_Worrier wrote:
It's not like anyone lives near a coal-fired power plant. You don't have a god given right to have every acre of the earth in a pristine state. That is not a human right. It IS a human right not to freeze to death in winter.
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