s0cks wrote:I think, Oil-Finder, that you will find it hard to disuade peakists just by giving them "estimated" reserve numbers, "possible" flow rates, and "projected" production figures . . .
OilFinder2 wrote:Well, all that talk was kinda off-topic anyway. The real question was what people wanted to happen, regardless of more technical issues.
The results of this poll have swung toward the 'no' side of late. For a while it was mildly in favor of the 'yes' side.
s0cks wrote:Personally I want peak oil to happen. Peak oil has opened my eyes to a LOT of other issues. Not just resource depletion, but political issues, environmental issues, health, consumerism, etc... And in almost all cases, the way we are heading is not good. I'm not going to go into a massive post, but when you consider, topsoil, fresh water, global warming, depression/suicide rate, cancer rate, food crisis, etc... its all pretty bleak stuff, and perhaps it would be better to rethink and start fresh.
Had you asked me this a few months, or even a year after my discovery of "finite oil", hehe, then I would have outright said no, but it has led me to find other knowledge.
The world was a very different place when your ancestors were getting along with horse and buggy. The adjustment will be catastrophic for many. Those that remain may be able to build something worthwhile. Science won't "catch up" for decades or centuries unless the world engineers a managed transition. There is no sign of that.shootst81 wrote:i don't want it to happen, but if it does it does.
Besides our ancestor's got along just fine with horse and buggy+steam engine train..we will adjust
horse and buggy could be temporary, till science catchs up
What about yourself and the people you know makes you think you and they will find slavery acceptable?
Recall those societies used slave labor because they were used to using it.
After Emancipation, there was no longer a "need" for slavery. Yet agriculture in the South continued, without slaves.
Slaves were owned by the very wealthy, and used to maintain the very wealthy in the style to which they were accustomed.
usncom wrote:Societal collapse from peak oil might do away with a lot of modern day conveniences but it WILL NOT change the human heart. We will go on wanting material things. We will continue to exploit others to get those material things.
s0cks wrote:usncom wrote:Societal collapse from peak oil might do away with a lot of modern day conveniences but it WILL NOT change the human heart. We will go on wanting material things. We will continue to exploit others to get those material things.
The human heart does not want material things. We have been conditioned and brainwashed. A good documentary is "The Century of the Self". It wasn't that long ago when people only bought what they needed.
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