armegeddon wrote:I Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater..
MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:I Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater..
Facts? There is really only one central to this debate: 40,000 oil fields across the world and not a single one shows any sign of refilling.
MD wrote:MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:I Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater..
Facts? There is really only one central to this debate: 40,000 oil fields across the world and not a single one shows any sign of refilling.
There is that one down in the gulf that is refillling from a deeper reservoir...it got the abiotic folks all creamy, remember?
Damn exceptions always getting in the way, eh?
armegeddon wrote:I didnt even think of Matt Savinar. I think George Noory listened to my idea. He asked Matt to come back for a round table debate last night with Corsi. Corsi told me he would do another debate anytime. Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater. Corsi tried to pull that oil doesnt come from dinosaur crap against Rupport, so tell him DUH !!!!. I gave round to Corsi when he went against Rupport. Corsi's BS shined through on that occasion.
MattSavinar wrote:MD wrote:MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:I Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater..
Facts? There is really only one central to this debate: 40,000 oil fields across the world and not a single one shows any sign of refilling.
There is that one down in the gulf that is refillling from a deeper reservoir...it got the abiotic folks all creamy, remember?
Damn exceptions always getting in the way, eh?
You mean Eugene Island 330? it's production is down 85% since it peaked 30 years ago.
Go here and scroll till you see the graph:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Abiotic.html
"Damn that google images search engine" I hear the abiotic duo(Jerome and George) crying.
MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:I didnt even think of Matt Savinar. I think George Noory listened to my idea. He asked Matt to come back for a round table debate last night with Corsi. Corsi told me he would do another debate anytime. Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater. Corsi tried to pull that oil doesnt come from dinosaur crap against Rupport, so tell him DUH !!!!. I gave round to Corsi when he went against Rupport. Corsi's BS shined through on that occasion.
I will not debate Corsi. He is a neocon operative tied directly to Bush and Cheney.
Bush and Cheney likely saw Ruppert as an immerging threat. They dispatched Corsi to debate him.
Same for Scott Ritter.
I'm not looking to tread in those waters.
Alex Jones, somebody I respect (unlike Corsi), also believes in abiotic oil. I would be glad to debate/discsuss the matter on air with him.
If I whip Jerome's ass he might go crying to Dick Cheney and you know what he does to attorneys. (I'm joking but not entirely.)
armegeddon wrote:MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:I didnt even think of Matt Savinar. I think George Noory listened to my idea. He asked Matt to come back for a round table debate last night with Corsi. Corsi told me he would do another debate anytime. Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater. Corsi tried to pull that oil doesnt come from dinosaur crap against Rupport, so tell him DUH !!!!. I gave round to Corsi when he went against Rupport. Corsi's BS shined through on that occasion.
I will not debate Corsi. He is a neocon operative tied directly to Bush and Cheney.
Bush and Cheney likely saw Ruppert as an immerging threat. They dispatched Corsi to debate him.
Same for Scott Ritter.
I'm not looking to tread in those waters.
Alex Jones, somebody I respect (unlike Corsi), also believes in abiotic oil. I would be glad to debate/discsuss the matter on air with him.
If I whip Jerome's ass he might go crying to Dick Cheney and you know what he does to attorneys. (I'm joking but not entirely.)
You told George lastnight you would have a roundtable debate with Corsi. But, you are entitled to change your mind.
armegeddon wrote:It wasn't before, but either way is fine.
MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:It wasn't before, but either way is fine.
Just recommend me and Alex. That would actually be a lot more interesting. And better for ratings I suspect. Personally I'd be thrilled to be on with Alex.
MattSavinar wrote:
I will not debate Corsi. He is a neocon operative tied directly to Bush and Cheney.
MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:MattSavinar wrote:armegeddon wrote:I didnt even think of Matt Savinar. I think George Noory listened to my idea. He asked Matt to come back for a round table debate last night with Corsi. Corsi told me he would do another debate anytime. Sounds like fun. Get ALL your facts togather Matt, because Corsi is a good debater. Corsi tried to pull that oil doesnt come from dinosaur crap against Rupport, so tell him DUH !!!!. I gave round to Corsi when he went against Rupport. Corsi's BS shined through on that occasion.
I will not debate Corsi. He is a neocon operative tied directly to Bush and Cheney.
Bush and Cheney likely saw Ruppert as an immerging threat. They dispatched Corsi to debate him.
Same for Scott Ritter.
I'm not looking to tread in those waters.
Alex Jones, somebody I respect (unlike Corsi), also believes in abiotic oil. I would be glad to debate/discsuss the matter on air with him.
If I whip Jerome's ass he might go crying to Dick Cheney and you know what he does to attorneys. (I'm joking but not entirely.)
You told George lastnight you would have a roundtable debate with Corsi. But, you are entitled to change your mind.
That was before you said he's supposedly going to debate Ritter. Bush admin and others with an interest in Iran see Ritter as a major threat. Apparently when they see somebody as a threat they dispatch Corsi as their errand boy on the late-night battlefield.
(It's sad they can't find somebody a bit swifter and smoother than Corsi for this task.)
armegeddon wrote:Alex Jones, on the other hand, is a died-in-the-wool true believer. You could stick his head in an empty oil field and he'd tell you that "the elite" moved it to "hide the truth."
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LOL, I almost fell of my chair laughing at this one. It is so true. I like Alex, and he is right about most things, but he is missing the boat on PO. I just think he hasn't done enough homework about PO. I think be believes the world has lots of oil, which it does, but he just doesn't quite get what 'peaking' actually means.
entropyfails wrote:armegeddon wrote:Alex Jones, on the other hand, is a died-in-the-wool true believer. You could stick his head in an empty oil field and he'd tell you that "the elite" moved it to "hide the truth."
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LOL, I almost fell of my chair laughing at this one. It is so true. I like Alex, and he is right about most things, but he is missing the boat on PO. I just think he hasn't done enough homework about PO. I think be believes the world has lots of oil, which it does, but he just doesn't quite get what 'peaking' actually means.
*grin* Glad I could entertain!
But it isn't just an issue of getting Jones to understand the concept of 'peaking' because peaking means "Civilization is running out of something." So that contradicts Jones' basic premise of "Jesus put enough of everything on Earth for people." You'd have to get him to face the fact that civilization is facing an existential crisis. Jones just thinks that civilization is facing a CHARACTER crisis. He worries that we will end up with a civilization run by "the bad guys." He simply cannot accept facts that would contradict his basic premise that civilization will run forever.
And that is why it surprises me that Matt would want to debate Jones. Matt often talks about how "People will not accept something that their entire social and economic status depends on." But Alex's conservative audience has such a strong basic premise of civilization behind it that he would lose his show if he ever hinted at any sort of complete existential civilization crisis. By Matt's own argument, Alex is completely incapable of understanding Peak Oil.
MattSavinar wrote:You're absolutely correct in your analysis of Alex. However, Corsi is simply vile.
Anything is better than Corsi.
entropyfails wrote:MattSavinar wrote:You're absolutely correct in your analysis of Alex. However, Corsi is simply vile.
Anything is better than Corsi.
I really do understand that sentiment Matt. Talking with Corsi would be like talking with the "Evil Death Ball" from The Fifth Element. You'd probably end up sweating black goo.
However, given the amount of name recognition that you've got, I say the best career choice would be to go for the big target. And wouldn't it feel much better to completely destroy Corsi in an argument than to win against Alex?
With Corsi, you can dismiss the entire argument in a few short minutes. And then you can do "folksy" versions of the argument to further prove your point like,
"Listen, just because we can find some oil like residue in strange places doesn't mean that oil fields are everywhere. YOU don't think that your bathtub is full because there is a puddle outside your house do you?!?"
You can destroy the Russian Scientists credibility too with things like,
"Near the end of the Cold War, the Russian Scientists were under enormous pressure to conform to doctrine. Russia was nearing their own Peak Oil but scientists that said so got sent to the Gulags. Russian doctors had to pretend that DNA didn't exist! YOU wouldn't want to have a Soviet Doctor cure your cancer would you?"
You can take on the "refilling fields" with,
"One time, my water heater busted and my basement got filled with water. But I don't claim that water heaters caused the water to form. Oil fields are really like tanks of water buried in the dirt. Some times one busts and fills another."
Tis up to you of course. I personally think it would be easier to prepare for and easier to win the debate if you took on Corsi. That victory seems like more of a win to me. But slime is hard to get off, so I do understand.
Regardless, use the water metaphor. People don't understand oil, but they do understand water.
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