pilferage wrote:No, you won't be able to get the lights back on.
However, 2008 seems a bit soon. Regardless, the point is that any huge increases (like those from peak oil) in transportation and basic infrastructure costs will drive up the price of electricity, since coal is mined cheaply using cheap oil, and NG will most likely peak about a decade after cheap oil does...
so, if you have the price of everything going up, eventually it won't be financially viable to operate the power grid considering it's aweful efficiency and huge size. But there have to be quite a few other factors for that to play out....
SilverHair wrote:So we are past the point of no return, which suits me just fine since this living being called earth is grossly infected with the fungus, mankind, and is in despatate need of a cure.
TrueKaiser wrote:if i read that artical right it says a world population of 3.3 billion at 2k8. i wonder what happened to the other 3.1billion in the world today?
TrueKaiser wrote:
if i read that artical right it says a world population of 3.3 billion at 2k8. i wonder what happened to the other 3.1billion in the world today?
johnmarkos wrote:I keep hearing this prediction of "permanent blackouts" by 2012 or 2008. In the latest Olduvai revision, Richard Duncan has said that permanent blackouts will occur in the industrialized world by 2008. Apparently this prediction is repeated in Michael Ruppert's latest article (I'm too cheap to subscribe to FTW). Can someone who understands electrical grids better than I explain this?
savethehumans wrote:I have surmised that they are saying that keeping the power on is going to get harder and harder...until the power goes out for good. This struggle is going to start (OK, get more noticeable) around 2008, because there are no more big oil/gas projects geared up to start producing after that year. The problems with using fossil fuels and/or nuclear power (uranium is limited, too) are only going to get worse from that time on. THAT is what's going to be permanent. The permanence of blackouts will come later...though not THAT much later....
A previous study put the 'cliff event' in year 2012 (Duncan, 2001). However, it no appears that 2012 was too optimistic. The following study indicates that the 'cliff event' will occur about 5 years earlier than 2012 due an epidemic of 'rolling blackouts' that have already begun in the US. This 'electrical epidemic' spreads nationwide, then worldwide, and by ca. 2007 most of the blackouts are permanent.
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