128shot wrote:...(if the rate ever gets above 300 miles to the charge, I'd do it in a heart beat...
Frank wrote:Out of curiosity, why do you feel you need 300 miles/charge? I can see a future transportation scenario where most people own a smaller EV with 50 mile range (doable today at reasonable cost) with easily obtainable (for lease) hybrids or conventional vehicles for longer trips. That would work for an awful lot of people in North America.
LadyRuby wrote:You guys really need to see www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com
Frank wrote:Thanks - I was just curious. We live in the boonies also but there's a grocery store 15 miles from here. I'm starting to plan a conversion that would allow 50 mile range, about the farthest we would need. 50 mile range is at 50% discharge so there's always a safety factor built in (at least that's what I'm telling my wife)...
If you ever find a link on that Chinese car, please post it. Someone in France is commercializing a design but I didn't think it was anywhere near as good as this sounds.
Frank wrote:http://www.theaircar.com/
Well, here's a link to the one I know about. I'm an EV fan but we have to be open to all alternatives for personal transport.
rwwff wrote:They help because they can do either, or, or both. That provides a leveling function to the energy puzzle. Besides, grids are only near max for brief periods of time, one could easily set a charge controller to feed the car only at night and early morning when the grid is no where near max.
Fergus wrote:But when is detroit anyone gunna make 50-100 mpg vehicles that an average person can buy. When you see these project cars that get 1000 miles a gallon and such, there all $100,000+. Thats not practical either. Granted these are concepts and not a regular production model, but by the time they get to regular production, what will the manufacturing costs be?
Till theres a $10,000, 100 mpg gar available, looks like we are headed for a date with mass inconvenience and hardships. More of the same old,same old.
Seems as the price of oil goes up, any chance of building a decent car with decent gas milage for cheap is becoming a pipe dream. A 100 mpg car that cost $400,000 due to materials and inflation and transportation costs and such (all solely due to high oil prices) isn't gunna make a great dent in anything if only 2% of the pop can afford to drive it.
I am thinking we need these things like NOW, not in 5 years when the price of oil is $150.00 or more p/b. Too little too late maybe on this front?
clv101 wrote:so we're left with coal. Is it really a smart idea to burn coal through the night in a 35% efficient power plant 100 miles away to charge a car? The answer has to be no.
Replacing 25mpg cars driving 12,000 miles a year with 50mpg cars driving 6,000 miles per year would reduce transport oil consumption by 75% using existing technology - that has to be a smarter idea that switching to coal.
Fergus wrote:Till theres a $10,000, 100 mpg gar available, looks like we are headed for a date with mass inconvenience and hardships. More of the same old,same old.
Seems as the price of oil goes up, any chance of building a decent car with decent gas milage for cheap is becoming a pipe dream. A 100 mpg car that cost $400,000 due to materials and inflation and transportation costs and such (all solely due to high oil prices) isn't gunna make a great dent in anything if only 2% of the pop can afford to drive it.
not in 5 years when the price of oil is $150.00 or more p/b. Too little too late maybe on this front?
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