spear wrote:ΜΟΛΩΝ-ΛΑΒΕ
WHY does the US and Britain support Turkey so much??
Maybe the Bosporus?Maybe Turkish western borders?Maybe the oil in the Aegean?Which is why all the disputes over the borders between Turkey and my country.Or because of the cheap labor.Maybe Im missing something here.
There were 43 invasions of Greek air space by Turkish fighter planes a few days ago when the negotiations were going bad.And dogfights.All this in one day.This is a daily thing here,one or two,but 43 is a record first.
In other words,if we dont get what we want,we terrorize you.Thats what they are saying.
And its not Greek air space only anymore,its EU air space.So they are spitting right in everyones face ALREADY.,during negotiations for ACCEPTANCE.Showing no respect for anything.
So if they do this now,what will they do later??
Concerning Greek national airspace, it should be noted that until 1975 – that is to say, for 44 years – Turkey never once challenged the breadth of 10 n.m. {limit} In fact, she recognized and respected it in practice.
Since 1975 however, Turkey has reversed this policy, and Turkish warplanes have regularly violated Greek national airspace on an ever increasing basis. It should be noted that, during the last three years in particular, the number of violations has sky-rocketed, not only between 6 and 10 n.m. from the Greek coast, but frequently within 6n.m., and often even over Greek island territory.
When Greece protests against these violations, Turkey typically replies that she does not consider that her aircraft flying between 6 and 10 n.m. from the Greek coasts violate Greek airspace. Greek aircraft are forced to intercept all Turkish warplanes that violate Greek national airspace.
As a consequence, Turkey's violations bring with them the daily threat of instability in the region. It is not coincidental that Turkey “discovered” her claims with respect to Greek national airspace in 1975, the year she first began to push her claims to the Aegean continental shelf in earnest. Clearly, Turkey wishes to limit Greek sovereign rights in the whole of the Aegean, in contravention of international law.
And how long will it take until everything is organized and the new members start paying their taxes??If ever.Until then who is going to foot their bills??
The rest of us,thats who.The rest of the EU.
101 wrote:And how long will it take until everything is organized and the new members start paying their taxes??If ever.Until then who is going to foot their bills??
The rest of us,thats who.The rest of the EU.Has Greece not received more from the EU than it has put in?
stu wrote:That's one of the big fears-mass migration. The reality will be that Turkey will have a small economy compared to Western European ones if they eventually join. This will undoubtedly mean that you'll see loads of Turks heading West. The same thing happened when the former Soviet countries joined and it'll happen when Romania and Bulgaria join in a couple of years.
Interestingly 80% of Austrians are against Turkey joining.
So much for "time heals all wounds".
spear wrote:The migration problem starts with free travel.when an under developed countrys citizens are allowed to travel freely,they will.Or they will try.
Since Greece is one of the neighboring countries,its more than likely many will come here first.
I dont have any documents to support this,but this is the general feeling here in my country as this issue comes up often.
Turkey must also reform in many things and ways and that will be very hard as its an Eastern culture,so the road they have in front of them is very difficult.This could take years.Brussels is making it very hard for them.
Even though Istanbul is a cultural center now and has much to offer,Turkey dosent end or start in Istanbul,so we have to take the bad along with the good,and its probably not worth it.
Licho wrote:stu wrote:That's one of the big fears-mass migration. The reality will be that Turkey will have a small economy compared to Western European ones if they eventually join. This will undoubtedly mean that you'll see loads of Turks heading West. The same thing happened when the former Soviet countries joined and it'll happen when Romania and Bulgaria join in a couple of years.
Interestingly 80% of Austrians are against Turkey joining.
So much for "time heals all wounds".
Stu, what are you talking about? Only 3 "former Soviet countries" joined EU (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia) - with just few millions of people. And there is no mass emigration to the rest of EU from those or any other new countries. Most of EU countries dont allow people from new countries to work there anyway (without special permit), so situation is essentialy the same as it was before EU membership..
Main difference is that goods can travel freely and economy benefits from this.
So what makes you think that Turkey membership = mass imigration..
You won't see any more of them, only less - as situation gradually improves in home countries and as limits imposed by geographically closer countries, like Germany, Austria etc are lifted.
“WHAT do you gain by adding 99 per cent Muslim Turkey to the European Union?” asked Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyib Erdogan last month. And then he answered his own question: “You gain a bridge between the EU and the 1.5 billion-strong Islamic world. An alliance of civilisations will start.”
You don’t have to go very far in Turkey to find people who reject Erdogan’s vision: the militant nationalist right, the radical left, religious fanatics, and people who just worry that joining the EU will slow down the country’s rapid economic growth. And you don’t have to go far in the EU to find people who are equally opposed to Turkey’s membership. But the official negotiations on Turkey’s membership nevertheless opened in Luxembourg on the night of October 3-4.
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