[Pops]

Yep, Jay Hansen's DieOff.org might have been the first site I found after reading the SciAm article.

Here is the first crawl by the Wayback Machine of DieOff, December 21, 1997

The first line there ties in with my political rant elsewhere quite nicely:

"In the end," says the Grand Inquisitor in Dostoevsky's parable, "in the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, 'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'"

[Pops]

And the EnergyCrisis is still alive if archived. Richard Duncan was an electrical engineer and The Olduvai Theory was his baby.

www.energycrisis.com/duncan/olduvai2000.htm

[theluckycountry]

Yep, Jay Hansen's DieOff.org might have been the first site I found after reading the SciAm article.

I saved a lot of them out back in the day using the save webpage function on internet explorer. They still load too surprisingly! It was 2002 abouts that I landed on Dieoff, my first exposure to it all. I was searching for 'something' online and landed there by mistake. What's this I thought as I began to read, and I read, and I read, all afternoon and into the night. By the end of the week I was really getting concerned and having found some survival sites I was buying rice and tins of baked beans. I had 3k in the bank back then and thought I was doing ok.

Funny how 99% of people read that stuff Pops and just dismiss it as lunacy, and they do ok too, until the day they don't and have no plan B. Thankfully being an Aussie who doesn't watch TV, not for 40 years, I wasn't distracted by 911, the Iraq war, Bird flu, chicken flu, even the GFC held little interest for me since the sites like FinancialSense had educated me to keep my money out of the casino. I attended a few survivalist forums but never really fitted in as I was always challenging the rote mantras they believed. It was like being in the Jehovas Witnesses and saying you thought it was ok to smoke and have a few beers on the sabbath.

The biggest difference between me and them though is that I took Opsec seriously, like I wouldn't talk about personal stuff online while they were laying it all out with photos and having meetups and sharing their secrets. Like Hello, this is the internet, they have government departments whose only reason for existence is to pry into stuff like what you're doing. Years later I found out about metadata and grabbed the tools to extract it out of digital photos. "Oh look, he's left location services on and there's the GPS coordinates of that BOL" Idiots! One guy built a retreat way up in the snowy mountains and was tooled up like for a war. One night a couple of 4x4 drove up the track with their spotlights on and he just walked out into the glare unarmed to ask them WTF they were doing on his property. Roo shooters who'd lost their way it turned out but he was the guy who had defensive zones and lines of fire and all that crap. Amazing! Those guys will be the first ones rounded up I can assure you.