AdamB wrote:Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
Also, this reminds me of the US blowing up a couple of Iranian oil platforms on Black Monday in 1987. I thought that was a classy way to go -- not killing anyone, but hurting Iran's oil production, given their behavior. (See "Operation Nimble Archer" as an easy way to search on this).
“If the standard for being fired was being wrong on a story, I would have been fired long ago,” Hersh told the Progressive in 1998. That Hersh has continued to rise, rather than suffer professional admonishment for his perennial falsehoods, is a testament to the ideological usefulness of his deceits to the people who publish him and the people who praise him. The disgrace is one in which Hersh’s editors and legions of readers are also complicit, and will continue to be for as long as “the last great American reporter” goes on telling them the lies they want to hear.
Hersh’s enablers and fans don’t care if he repeatedly gets things wrong in his journalism, or makes outlandish allegations in public forums, as long as he continues to provide fodder for the narrative of America as a rapacious and blundering imperial power. As Warren Strobel, at the time a foreign correspondent for the McClatchy newspaper chain, told New York in 2005, “it’s worth it for him to be wrong.” From his lofty perch at the New Yorker, and with the demeanor of the grizzled, shoe-leather newspaperman straight out of the The Front Page, Hersh lends a patina of respectability to a variety of accounts that had previously existed on the conspiratorial fringe.
careinke wrote: Most on this board thought it was Russia that committed this environmental crime. Just sayin
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Newfie wrote:Plant,
Here is an alternative viewpoint from an active duty military officer. Short video.
https://youtu.be/-FQ6h7jdJxU
Newfie wrote:DAag nabbit, I somehow got the wrong link. I have no idea who that squawk r was or what his point was,. My apologies for wasting your time.
Below is the correct link, I verified it.
Anders Puck Neilson
Military analyst at the Royal Danish Defence College with a specialty in maritime operations and Russia. I also run the websites Krigskunst.dk and Romeosquared.eu that focus on defense issues and military analyses from a Danish perspective.
https://youtu.be/hk-0qJXyido
Newfie wrote:Carinke;
I have since heard it reported that the PIG designer said it was impossible to be used because it relied upon gas flow for movement.
It has also been reported that there were some unidentified ships above the pipeline sometime before the blast. Not definitive. Russia has been investing in naval resources including ice breakers and subs, I think they have some subs developed explicitly for doing submerged “work”. This is where the fear of hybrid warfare comes in, that the Russians have a lot of capacity to attack infrastructure. Thinking about it this may provide a motive for the electric grid attacks. Russia is communicating their willingness to attack the civilian infrastructure that binds the West together. And perhaps that is what NordStream was, a shot across the bow. NordStream would not invoke NATO as destroying fiber optic cables, but would clearly demonstrate his willingness.
Plantagenet wrote:Seymour Hersh just gave an interview to German media in which he was very critical of Joe Biden for blowing up the Nord Stream Pipeline
biden-willing-let-germans-freeze-blowing-pipeline-seymour-hersh-interview
Hersh said that by blowing up Nordstream Biden showed he didn't care about the Germans. He said Biden put the German economy at risk and would've let Germans freeze in the dark.
Seymour Harsh says...Scouts Honor---- Biden did it.....
Cheers!
According to David Satter, Yuri Felshtinsky, Alexander Litvinenko, Vladimir Pribylovsky and Boris Kagarlitsky, the bombings were a successful false flag operation coordinated by the Russian state security services to win public support for a new full-scale war in Chechnya and to bring Putin to power.[206][17][18][19][68][207][20][208][209] Some of them described the bombings as typical "active measures" practised by the KGB in the past. The war in Chechnya boosted Prime Minister and former FSB Director Vladimir Putin's popularity, and brought the pro-war Unity Party to the State Duma and Putin to the presidency within a few months.
Newfie wrote:It makes far more sense to me, consistent with past and current practice, that Lutin would sacrifice a key asset to impress upon the West how far he was willing to go.
Newfie wrote:Carinke,
Sorry, I got carried away with my last post. Too much coffee in the am I guess.
I take your point that there is no definitive answer and, unfortunately, we can NOT rule out US involvement in the NorStrwam strike.
I have different ideas and bias. Obviously.
I appreciate the back and forth, the discussion is not to "win" but to learn.
Sometimes I need to remind myself of that.
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