AdamB wrote:How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?
How about just shooting the next A-hole that crawls under her car with a sawsall?
AdamB wrote:How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?
Newfie wrote:The widespread acquisition of guns leads me to believe that an increasing percentage of the population doubts governments ability to fulfill its main purpose, make them safe. This is not a failure of the people but of the government, it is a vote of “no confidence.”
vtsnowedin wrote: I am optimistic that the population will, along with arming themselves in self-defense, will at the next opportunity vote out these fools that have brought this plague upon us.
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?
How about just shooting the next A-hole that crawls under her car with a sawsall?
Do you have a personal objection to folks having hobbies?
Do you gun owners ever have any sort of ceremony where you publicly state that you clearly understand the consequences of shooting people and will do all you can to avoid it?
Doly wrote:Do you have a personal objection to folks having hobbies?
I do, when the "hobby" consists of collecting stuff specifically designed to kill, as opposed to some other things you mention, which aren't specifically designed to kill.
Doly wrote:I have a hobby of learning about medicinal plants and mushrooms, and people find it distasteful when I describe the various poisons I know, in spite that I do not extract or collect poisons. I would find it understandable, if I did extract and collect poisons, that my neighbours would feel some objections to the activity, and maybe demand that I offer some sort of guarantees designed to stop me and others from murdering people willy-nilly, just because it's possible. Such as, for example, clearly labelling the jars as deadly poisons, and publicly stating that I would take the utmost care not to poison anyone, accidentally or otherwise.
Doly wrote:Do you gun owners ever have any sort of ceremony where you publicly state that you clearly understand the consequences of shooting people and will do all you can to avoid it? I don't think so. Why not?
Doly wrote:Oh, because it might give someone cold feet to even describe the reality of your "hobby", and that's bad for the business of some people.
Doly wrote:If your "hobby" is training to kill, you better get real about what your "hobby" is and who that makes you.
Doly wrote:Hopefully you are training to kill animals, not people, and you are training to be a hunter, not a soldier.
Doly wrote:But if you are training to harm people, then you should not ask or expect any mercy, least of all in words, since you are training not to be merciful.
Doly wrote: You call your activity a "hobby", and that's asking for mercy. I call it sheer un-mitigated irresponsibility, when you are not even able to admit, perhaps not even to yourself, if you are planning to possibly harm people or not.
AdamB wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:How about just moving, and leaving the kind of squalor behind where honest God fearing folk can't even keep their catalytic converters safe?
How about just shooting the next A-hole that crawls under her car with a sawsall?
Because even in reasonable states like mine, which have an absolute castle doctrine (you come in my house uninvited, by definition it is legal to shoot you), you can't shoot folks stealing your stuff outside. A local guy tried that, some perps hooked up to the trailer in his driveway and tried driving off with it, the homeowner began peppering the perps vehicle as it was trying to get out of his driveway with a proper AR platform. Said perp, having been properly perforated, made it a mile or two down the road before he expired. Homeowner goes to jail for killing him. You don't get to shoot them outside your home for theft. Lethal force outside the home only allowed to stop grave physical harm of yourself or others, and trailers ain't people.
Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption. ...
The common source of these disturbances became most dramatically apparent in the populations of our first series of three experiments, in which we observed the development of what we called a behavioral sink. The animals would crowd together in greatest number in one of the four interconnecting pens in which the colony was maintained. As many as 60 of the 80 rats in each experimental population would assemble in one pen during periods of feeding. Individual rats would rarely eat except in the company of other rats. As a result extreme population densities developed in the pen adopted for eating, leaving the others with sparse populations.
... In the experiments in which the behavioral sink developed, infant mortality ran as high as 96 percent among the most disoriented groups in the population.[5]
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote: Lethal force outside the home only allowed to stop grave physical harm of yourself or others, and trailers ain't people.
I see that as a law that needs to be changed.
vtsnowedin wrote: And yes try to steal something from my dooryard and rules be dammed you will lay their bleeding out.
If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.
AdamB wrote:vtsnowedin wrote: And yes try to steal something from my dooryard and rules be dammed you will lay their bleeding out.
If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.
Home robberies are prima facia evidence that perforating a perpetrator is allowed in my state. It is doing the same to someone stealing something out in your yard that is frowned upon, legally speaking. Locally anyway.
If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:Home robberies are prima facia evidence that perforating a perpetrator is allowed in my state. It is doing the same to someone stealing something out in your yard that is frowned upon, legally speaking. Locally anyway.
I hear you on that but rules be dammed if you let them steal your car while you watch them today they will be in your house in the near future.
vtsnowedin wrote:Better to be judged by twelve then carried by six is a rule they can't change and at my age a life sentence don't amount to much.
Doly wrote:If everyone had that policy and the will and means to back it up home robberies would become a very rare thing.
The vast majority of burglars make sure to go only into empty homes......
Doly wrote:... because obviously they prefer to avoid problems with the residents. Your home is much better protected with a decent alarm system than with a gun.
In the July 2016 mass shooting of five police officers in Dallas, the work of police officers was made more difficult as they struggled to distinguish between people legally carrying guns openly and the gunman who opened fire. Afterwards, both the police chief and the mayor said law enforcement couldn’t tell “good guys with guns” from “bad guys with guns” because it is perfectly legal to walk around in public with an exposed handgun or rifle in Texas.
Pops wrote:I don't have a problem with guns. I own guns. I don't have any problem with hunters, plinkers, collectors. I don't have a problem with permitted concealed carry.
I have a problem with performance artists, vigilantes, irresponsible immature posers who put the public at risk with zero benefit.
Pops wrote:Guns are intimidating. White people carrying guns openly—and I've never seen anything but whites doing it— with no apparent reason are obviously compensating. As I say, it is all of a piece.
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