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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 10:17:20

Pops wrote:When was it ever acceptable to casually offend?

Hard to square this thread on the evils of PC culture with this notification:
However, accusations against fellow board members is off the table. If you think Joe6P is a raving racist jackass you are entitled to your opinion. HOWEVER, when you cross the line to publicly accusing Joe6P of being a raving racist jackass in a public thread that is a step too far.


The right to offend women and minorities is a matter of free speech on this site! A right worthy of deep thought and research around the evils of PC. Offend whomever strikes your fancy, it's your right—just not old white guys because that's a threat to the very survival of this board

LOLOLOL

ironic how tender the sensibilities of old white guys

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Pops,

First when quoting it is common practice to link the source.

Second, the notice makes no mention of old white guys, thus your comment makes no sense. It strikes me you are searching, too hard, for something to bitch about.

The rest of your rant has nothing to do with the intent if the quoted post.

And if you doubt me then simply ask Tanada for clarification. He is right here. No need to go digging in the archives for perceived miseries when the author is right here to address the issue directly.

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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Pops » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 11:03:58

I don't need clarification, Newfie, the intent is obvious in the notice and this thread:
misogynistic and racist language is or should be free speech, calling out racism is not.

The OP and subsequent posts identifies and condemns "PC culture" that confronts people who insult women and minorities

If you aren't a woman or minority you're a white man

So do you have a comment on the obvious double standard I'm pointing out or is this just a psuedo-moderation kind of appeal to authority, shut-up before I ban you kind of thing?


The notice is here, I assume you've read it. And BTW, the notice is not in the archive, it is labeled Announcement Please Read, it popped up when I logged in.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 12:25:49

Pops, what you so accurately point out is one of the reasons I will be retiring from the site once I hit 20,000 posts (if not before).
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 13:21:33

dohboi wrote:Pops, what you so accurately point out is one of the reasons I will be retiring from the site once I hit 20,000 posts (if not before).


Yes indeed. This site acts like a filter in many ways and at this point the silence of those who exit is more persuasive then the hopeless attempts to argue.

We have had a 4 year run in American society attempting to legitimize racism and mysogyny. I take this as a dying gasp of an aging generation standing before a demographic transition that cannot be legislated away.

Actually, subverting an election and attempting a coupe is just as much related to Trumps being a socio path as it is to the racist white voters who see him as their only solution away from this demographic transition which cannot be turned around no matter how much you claim Mexicans are rapists.

Dohboi, I imagine your experiences in Minneapolis in your neighborhood that stood in such stark contrast to the comments on this site was the catalyst for you losing respect here.

The make up of overwhelming majority of posters on this site in regards to this topic does not need to be stated.

It is also a major reason I feel less respect for this site and its members which draws me away from really actively engaging.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 14:07:59

Pops wrote:I don't need clarification, Newfie, the intent is obvious in the notice and this thread:
misogynistic and racist language is or should be free speech, calling out racism is not.

The OP and subsequent posts identifies and condemns "PC culture" that confronts people who insult women and minorities

If you aren't a woman or minority you're a white man

So do you have a comment on the obvious double standard I'm pointing out or is this just a psuedo-moderation kind of appeal to authority, shut-up before I ban you kind of thing?


The notice is here, I assume you've read it. And BTW, the notice is not in the archive, it is labeled Announcement Please Read, it popped up when I logged in.


Pops;

Let me be more clear.

What you are clumsily attempting is open disagreement with moderation.

Cease.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 15:34:30

I think that you are all making too much of this. I agree that the use of the term Joe6P was a bad call, but I think that the idea behind the warning was to tell people to avoid PERSONAL attacks and insults, which is something I wholeheartedly agree with. I don't think that the intention was to make the warning sexist or mysoginistic; I think it was just a poor choice of words, but that is just my opinion.

I personally couldn't care less what sex, age, race, sexual orientation, national origin, or whatever any of you are or have, and I hope that you all understand that.

You could point out that a comment was racist, ageist, sexist, or discriminatory in whatever way and argue against it, without insulting or attacking the person who made the comment. That would be addressing the problem rather than insulting the other person.

If we keep abusing, disrespecting, insulting, and attacking each other this place and its community will be completely destroyed. I would hate to see that happen.

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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Pops » Thu 10 Dec 2020, 16:59:57

I don't generally agree with OS but this I can agree with:
Outcast_Searcher wrote:I don't claim to have the answers, but I think just blanket assuming the whole PC concept is just bad is missing an important broader point as society moves toward being generally more tolerant of a wide range of differences between groups of people who SHOULD be free from abuse, discrimination, etc.

Well said.

But that is the point of the thread and really of the last 4 years of our politics in the US: My freedom is more important than your feelings, opportunities, livelihood, life. trump is the champion of politically incorrectness, it is his entire schtick.

JuanP wrote:...I think that the idea behind the warning was to tell people to avoid PERSONAL attacks and insults

Funny thing, Juan, that is the entire jist of "PC": don't insult people just because you can. I tried for a dozen years to get people to respect each other here, I'm not going to start ad hom-ing now.

My point is, this thread is about what an infringement it is for society to expect the same respect.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby dissident » Mon 14 Dec 2020, 19:05:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aaKqVlQXL0

SJW retards on Twitter are going after some game that is not activist enough for them. Like the 1917 Bolshies these cultural Trotskyists believe that all media from entertainment to news to education must propagandize the proletariat into "homo communisticus".

The lunatics can't even be bothered to deal with some modicum of facts.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby JuanP » Tue 15 Dec 2020, 08:17:10

dissident wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aaKqVlQXL0

SJW retards on Twitter are going after some game that is not activist enough for them. Like the 1917 Bolshies these cultural Trotskyists believe that all media from entertainment to news to education must propagandize the proletariat into "homo communisticus".

The lunatics can't even be bothered to deal with some modicum of facts.


Game developers all over are rushing to include minority and LGBTQIA+ characters in all their games to avoid getting canceled. This has been going on for a couple of years, at least. You can also see this in American movies and TV. They are mostly doing a good thing out of fear, though in many cases they're going overboard.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby dissident » Tue 15 Dec 2020, 18:04:37

SJW self-anointed do-gooders are pushing the normalization of pedophilia after having normalized child genital mutilation. These vermin are not doing any real good. We are way beyond any homosexual or trans "rights" (i.e. being treated like other humans without discrimination) and into special rights and depravity privileges for select groups.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 26 May 2023, 14:21:09

CVS 'gender transition' guide says employees must use preferred pronouns

EXCLUSIVE: CVS Health's "gender transition guidelines" for employees requires workers to address people by their preferred pronouns and names and that they may use whichever restroom or locker room they wish regardless of whether the individual identifies as transgender.

In the guidelines obtained exclusively by FOX Business, employees are told they may be entitled to a medical leave of absence "under the Family and Medical Leave Act, state law, and/or CVS Health policy." Transitioning employees are asked to tell their immediate leaders about their transition so the company "can provide support and to make your transition as smooth as possible."

"You may also wish to have appropriate medical care to support your transition, including treatments such as hormone replacement therapy and/or gender confirmation surgery," the guide states.

"During and after the transition has occurred, CVS Health encourages you to continue to partner with your Leader and your Advice & Counsel representative, and to immediately report any issues that you might have with your employment, your work environment, and/or your Leader, co-workers, clients, and customers," it continues.

In a section titled, "Guidelines for Supporting a Colleague who is Transitioning," the guide encourages employees to be an ally by asking colleagues to let them know if they say or do anything that makes them uncomfortable. It also urges employees to not make assumptions about a person's gender.

It says employees should become an ally to make a positive impact on a co-worker's life, become an inclusive leader, champion and celebrate all aspects of diversity and to show compliance with the CVS Health Equal Employment, Affirmative Action, AntiDiscrimination, Anti-Harassment, and Anti-Retaliation Policy.

CVS Health's Employment, Affirmative Action, AntiDiscrimination, Anti-Harassment, and Anti-Retaliation Policy says the company is "committed to the principle of equal employment opportunity and takes affirmative action to recruit, hire, employ, develop, compensate, promote and advance in employment based on an individual’s job-related qualifications, abilities, and job performance." It also states that the company prohibits discrimination and harassment based on race, religion, gender, gender identity, national origin, political affiliation, military status, disability and other personal characteristics.

The document also asks transgender employees to include their preferred pronouns in their email signatures, introduce their preferred pronouns in meeting introductions and to tell colleague's that they "won’t tolerate even subtle forms of discrimination or harassment in the workplace."

After a transgender employee makes their preferred pronouns and name known, co-workers are instructed not to refer to them by other pronouns or their previous name.

"People use different terms to refer to themselves, but some terms are universally considered disrespectful and violate CVS’s policy against discrimination and harassment," the guide states. "Terms like transgender, trans-male/trans-female, non-binary or ‘male’ or ‘female’ should be used."

The guidelines' section on bathroom access says company policy allows all employees to use the bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond with their gender identity, adding that all workers "should determine the most appropriate for themselves."

CVS Health has provided additional bathroom options where possible and required that include single-occupancy, gender-neutral facilities and multiple-occupant, gender-neutral restroom facilities with lockable single-occupant stalls, according to the document.

"Any colleague, customer, or patient—transgender or otherwise--may choose to use the restroom and/or locker room that is appropriate to the gender they identify with," the guide reads.

Employees may also dress in accordance with their gender identity.

The document also provides definitions of terms, including "transgender," "cisgender," "gender dysphoria," "non-binary," "gender non-conforming," "gender identity" and "ally." The guide states that "transgender people" is acceptable to use but "transgenders" and "transgendered" is considered derogatory.

The document further notes that transgender employees have "the right to be who they are without unnecessary disclosure of medical information or gender history."

CVS Health did not respond to a request for comment from FOX Business.


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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 26 May 2023, 20:16:57

Also, look up John Money, neoliberalism, late capitalism, and ESG scores.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 27 May 2023, 12:39:19

Tanada,

I suspect that we are just going through one of those phases where some one thing or another becomes "special". Humans seem to almost go nuts over some topic on a semi regular basis. Maybe like the Salem Witch Trials or McCarthyism. It becomes almost a cult. Not the only example.

It sure is baffling.
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Re: PC Equals Puritanical Control

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 11 Jul 2023, 17:38:31

The only truly stable cultures throughout history have been ones based on the heterosexual family unit. Every now and then an Empire rises, out these natural origins, and towards its end pornography, homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia and every other unnatural practice takes over and the society becomes weak and fractured. Rome of course was full of pornography, you only have to look at the statues of that era but drawings depicting sexual acts were also prevalent. The Games, like the Olympics, were all contested in the nude I read.

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