Newfie wrote:Renewables has something in common with drug usage. It’s like going from opium to heroin to opioids. The underlying problem is the idea that we can not live on less energy. As long as we are addicted to energy use we will burn every available calorie no matter the source.
The only way to reduce green house gasses is to convince folks to use far, far less energy. If we reduce the overall amount of energy use by 50%, and retain our renewables, then we are doubling the share of renewable power.
The GND is a scam to get us to buy into a huge infrastructure project; more, More, MORE.
No! Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
evilgenius wrote:I don't deny climate catastrophe, but I think there is a whole other reason to pursue renewables. Resource wars are a far more important reason to get away from fossil fuels than climate change, in the near term. By near term I guess I mean the next twenty years. I know, why should anyone who lives in the US worry about that? The US is going to win those wars, isn't it? Probably the answer is, yes. And that's the catch, probably.
The outcome of war is never guaranteed. Never mind what waging those wars would do to the American soul. Losing one of them could prove disastrous without renewables in place as a backstop. You can't tell that to a nation full of emotional people.
Newfie wrote:Renewables has something in common with drug usage. It’s like going from opium to heroin to opioids. The undelying problem is the idea that we can not live on less energy. As long as we are addicted to energy use we will burn every available calorie no matter the source. ...
The GND is a scam to get us to buy into a huge infrastructure project; more, More, MORE.
lpetrich wrote: Renewable sources are VERY valuable, and enough development of them should be able to give a First-World-scale lifestyle to everybody on our planet....
That's not what's been happening in this country. Total energy demand has been more or less flat for over the last decade. Coal plants have been retired. Oil consumption has fallen. Renewables and rising efficiency has taken their place. Total fossil fuel consumption in this country has fallen this past decade.KaiserJeep wrote:Every single energy infrastructure renewal in this country is underfunded. By the time green power sources come on line, energy demand has increased, no FF plants are retired, we run both the existing plant, the new green plant, and we start building again to meet future demand.
US total energy use(in Quads)
Year Gas Coal Oil FFs Renew Nuke Total
2007 24 23 40 87 7 8 102
2018 31 13 37 81 12 8 101
kublikhan wrote:Total energy demand has been more or less flat for over the last decade. Coal plants have been retired. Oil consumption has fallen. Renewables and rising efficiency has taken their place. Total fossil fuel consumption in this country has fallen this past decade.
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US total energy use(in Quads)
Year Gas Coal Oil FFs Renew Nuke Total
2007 24 23 40 87 7 8 102
2018 31 13 37 81 12 8 101
US energy use 2007
US energy use 2018
kublikhan wrote:That's not what's been happening in this country. Total energy demand has been more or less flat for over the last decade. Coal plants have been retired.
MonteQuest wrote:kublikhan wrote:That's not what's been happening in this country. Total energy demand has been more or less flat for over the last decade. Coal plants have been retired.
Energy demand has fallen due to outsourcing of much of our industrial production to other countries. Retired coal plants have been replaced largely with NG.
Newfie wrote:First is that adding renewable energy by itself does nothing. It only counts if it displaces some existing nonrenewable energy source.
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