@ t
hope you are not suggesting the republicans have any chance of providing the next us president?
kiwichick wrote:@ t
hope you are not suggesting the republicans have any chance of providing the next us president?
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
ROCKMAN wrote:T - And IMHO your post only emphasizes how little difference there really is between the two parties when it comes to major policies that are actually ENACTED. That's why it's so common see the public flip flop since WWII. Yeah...lots of differences rhetoric wise. But at the end of the day not a lot of substantial difference so it's easy for the voting public (who aren't really R's or D's despite how they register) to switch hats. Of course there are the minorities of yellow dog D's and R's but they never determine the outcomes for the POTUS elections: it's always the fence sitters that will go either way depending upon the current circumstances.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Five of the world’s seven richest countries have increased their coal use in the last five years despite demanding that poor countries slash their carbon emissions to avoid catastrophic climate change, new research shows.
Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and France together burned 16% more coal in 2013 than 2009 and are planning to further increase construction of coal-fired power stations. Only the US and Canada of the G7 countries meeting on Monday in Berlin have reduced coal consumption since the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.
The US has reduced its coal consumption by 8% largely because of fracking for shale gas. Overall, the G7 countries reduced coal consumption by less than 1% between 2009-2013, the Oxfam research shows.
The G7’s addiction to coal is hiking up costs for developing countries and putting more and more people on the frontline of climate change at risk of hunger. If G7 coal plants were a country, it would be the fifth biggest emitter in the world. They are still burning huge amounts.
Globally, coal is responsible for almost three-quarters (72%) of all power-sector emissions, and while more than half of today’s coal consumption is in 140 developing countries, the scale of coal-burning by the rich few is considerable.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Four European countries burn more coal now than they did in 2009, Britain, France, Germany and Italy. Anyone who actually believes Politicians will keep being elected if they do otherwise does not understand politics or human nature.Five of the world’s seven richest countries have increased their coal use in the last five years despite demanding that poor countries slash their carbon emissions to avoid catastrophic climate change, new research shows.
Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan and France together burned 16% more coal in 2013 than 2009 and are planning to further increase construction of coal-fired power stations. Only the US and Canada of the G7 countries meeting on Monday in Berlin have reduced coal consumption since the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.
The US has reduced its coal consumption by 8% largely because of fracking for shale gas. Overall, the G7 countries reduced coal consumption by less than 1% between 2009-2013, the Oxfam research shows.
The G7’s addiction to coal is hiking up costs for developing countries and putting more and more people on the frontline of climate change at risk of hunger. If G7 coal plants were a country, it would be the fifth biggest emitter in the world. They are still burning huge amounts.
Globally, coal is responsible for almost three-quarters (72%) of all power-sector emissions, and while more than half of today’s coal consumption is in 140 developing countries, the scale of coal-burning by the rich few is considerable.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... arch-shows
Ulenspiegel wrote:Tanada, to use the year 2009 as reference point is stupid propaganda. Either use 2007 or an 10 year avarage. But then you would look like a clown.
And your claim that more coal power plants are added (net addition) is again a lie, get correct data and come back. There is hugh excess capacity in Europe and many utilities are shutting down coal power plants in addition to NG capacity. For Germany we now have in August 2014 approved shut downs of almost 4 GW coal power until 2018, many coal power plants (60 smaller ones) are on the "application list" for shut down, most of them will be labled as not system relevant by the net agency and will be dead in a few years. You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
GASMON wrote:Ulenspiegel wrote:
And your claim that more coal power plants are added (net addition) is again a lie, get correct data and come back. There is hugh excess capacity in Europe and many utilities are shutting down coal power plants in addition to NG capacity. For Germany we now have in August 2014 approved shut downs of almost 4 GW coal power until 2018, many coal power plants (60 smaller ones) are on the "application list" for shut down, most of them will be labled as not system relevant by the net agency and will be dead in a few years. You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
Tanada does, You don't.
I'm a retired gas engineer with 40 years experience in the energy industry
The UK is shutting down coal fired plants AND it is stated we (the UK) WILL have energy shortages in a severe winter. Didcot closed last year, as I stated in an earlier post, the main generators sold & exported to Germanys new Lignite fired power stations. Eggborough station in Yorkshire to close next year. Winter 2016 /17 will be the crunch. We have new nuclear planned - but that is years away.
Google Didcot, Eggborough, Britain's coming energy crunch. Germanys NEW lignite power stations etc, it's all there, many articles from many sources. Here is one.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... een-future
I once respected and admired Germany. With the recent German decisions to shut nuclear / build Lignite plants, unfettered immigration (Merkel - Germany welcomes you all but the rest of Europe must take there share or loose EEC funding) and the rapidly evolving Volks Wagon diesel scandal - well, I now have very serious doubts.
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Tanada wrote:Ulenspiegel wrote:Tanada, to use the year 2009 as reference point is stupid propaganda. Either use 2007 or an 10 year avarage. But then you would look like a clown.
And your claim that more coal power plants are added (net addition) is again a lie, get correct data and come back. There is hugh excess capacity in Europe and many utilities are shutting down coal power plants in addition to NG capacity. For Germany we now have in August 2014 approved shut downs of almost 4 GW coal power until 2018, many coal power plants (60 smaller ones) are on the "application list" for shut down, most of them will be labled as not system relevant by the net agency and will be dead in a few years. You obviously do not know what you are talking about.
I quoted a news article and included a link to the source of the quote. Perhaps before accusing me or any other member of lying and making up their own facts you could find data refuting the quote I made from the source I posted. If you find evidence that the source I quoted was wrong you should post it so we can all be reassured my source was mistaken.
The coal mine that ate Hambacher forest
More than a third of Germany's electricity is still produced by burning coal - mostly dirty brown lignite - and environmental activists are fighting to change this... We're sitting under the trees of the Hambacher Forest, in the west of Germany, 30km (20 miles) from the city of Cologne... They're here because the Hambi is threatened with total destruction. There's not much of it left now. The forest sits atop one of the largest coalfields in Europe and since mining started in 1978 the trees have been gradually stripped away to allow the excavators access to the riches that lie beneath - millions of tons of coal, coal that keeps industry running in this part of Germany and provides thousands of people with a living.
To add insult to injury, the coal that is extracted here is brown coal, also known as lignite... Only 10% of the Hambi is still standing.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Much more and pictures at link below quoteThe coal mine that ate Hambacher forest
More than a third of Germany's electricity is still produced by burning coal - mostly dirty brown lignite - and environmental activists are fighting to change this... We're sitting under the trees of the Hambacher Forest, in the west of Germany, 30km (20 miles) from the city of Cologne... They're here because the Hambi is threatened with total destruction. There's not much of it left now. The forest sits atop one of the largest coalfields in Europe and since mining started in 1978 the trees have been gradually stripped away to allow the excavators access to the riches that lie beneath - millions of tons of coal, coal that keeps industry running in this part of Germany and provides thousands of people with a living.
To add insult to injury, the coal that is extracted here is brown coal, also known as lignite... Only 10% of the Hambi is still standing.
BBC Report
One of UK's last coal power stations to close due to rising costsOne of the UK’s last seven coal power stations will close this year after half a century of generating electricity, as the polluting fuel continues its rapid decline in the energy mix. The power station was no longer economically viable, the company said. Cottam has been hit by the costs of working to European environmental standards and the failure to secure a contract for payments supply backup power after September.
The UK government has pledged to end coal power generation in the UK by 2025 to meet its climate change commitments. Just seven years ago, coal was a cornerstone of the energy system, providing more than 40% of electricity, but a series of closures in the face of poor economics have led to it tumbling to 5% last year. Gas and renewables have taken up the slack, as new windfarms have been connected to the grid.
Coal use falls again in Europe in 2017In Europe the use of coal for power generation retreated for the fifth successive year in 2017, while the use of renewables continues to grow. coal's share of Europe's total power generation fell to 20% last year, while the share from renewables increased to 30%.
Coal dependence in Europe is not as high as generally thought; its 20% share of power generation is lower than in other OECD economies such as the US, China, Japan and Australia. Eight European states have pledged to phase out coal use completely – Austria, Denmark, France, Finland, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and the UK – so coal-fired power will continue to decline as more capacity gets retired. In 2016-17 14 gigawatts of coal-fired capacity was retired in Europe, and there is little capacity in the construction or planning phase.
Germany and Poland combined account for 55% of total coal generation in the EU. Coal accounts for three-quarters of Poland's power generation, and little change in the country's energy policy is expected in the short to medium term. While the details of the agreement are still to be worked out, politicians are realising that Germany's claims to climate leadership are undermined by its heavy use of coal. Last year coal use fell in Germany for the fourth successive year, but coal still accounts for 37% of the country's power generation.
European Union Primary energy consumption(all units in Mtoe)
1995 2017 2040 1995-2017 change 2017-2040 change
coal 363 234 79 -129 -155
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