Newfie wrote:
As to trust that Ibon and Tanada are discussing....I believe that the world financial economy now more than ever relies upon trust to function. Trust and shipping to move the trade that props up the economy. One need not physically start a WWIII to do great harm to the fiscal systems that global trade depends upon.
Newfie wrote:Ibon,
I completely agree with this perspective. And I don’t see any dissonance with Tanada POV. It’s trusting the players in the game to continue the game, not that they are trust worthy but that their self interest rides upon the games continuation.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Newfie wrote:Anyone interested in this event would do well to read the gCaptain article cited in my above post as it goes into some detail about what level of provocation was required to push Regan to action. If those same standards apply today we are far off from military engagement.
Plantagenet wrote:Shaved Monkey wrote:Operator of tanker says sailors saw 'flying objects' just before attack
TOKYO
The Japanese operator ship operator of one of two oil tankers attacked near the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday said that sailors on board its vessel, the Kokuka Courageous, saw "flying objects" just before the attack, suggesting the tanker wasn't damaged by mines.
Not really. The "flying objects" were probably drones. We know the Iranians have drone capability and the presence of drones doesn't mean there weren't mines.Shaved Monkey wrote:Speaking at a news conference in Tokyo, Yutaka Katada, president of Kokuka Sangyo Co, said he believes the flying objects seen by the sailors could be bullets
You can't see bullets. They move much too fast.Shaved Monkey wrote:...above water line
The video shows an Iranian boat coming in and pulling the magnetic limpet mine off the hull. Obviously the limpet mine was placed on the hull above the water line exactly the same way, i.e. an Iranian boat swooped in and attached the two mines above the water line. When one didn't explode they returned and collected it to hide the evidence. But the US caught them in the act using a drone with video capability.
limpet-mine-tanker-attack.
Cheers!
Shaved Monkey wrote:Pretty sure they would have said if they saw a drone
So I leave you with a spot the mine competition (probably similar to spot Weapons of Mass Destruction of an earlier era)
EdwinSm wrote: I leave you with a spot the mine competition
Plantagenet wrote:Iran threatens US aircraft carriers with missile strikes
The US aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and support naval vessels were sent to the middle east in May
Lets pray to god the Iranians aren't stupid enough to actually attack the Lincoln or any other US Navy vessels.
yellowcanoe wrote:Considering that the US doesn't really depend on ME oil, it would seem more appropriate for those countries that actually DO depend on ME oil to provide a naval presence.
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