Ibon wrote: I do not agree with Newfie that Obama was intentionally a liar or knowingly misleading. The same goes for all the other countries that signed on.
I don't see how they could have missed it. Prof. James Hansen and several non-Governmental Agencies like 350.org denounced the proposed treaty before it was signed, and even the governmental scientists who were advising Obama were pretty explicit right from the start that the Paris accords assumed some magical way to remove CO2 from the atmosphere that didn't actually exist.
Its well known that James Hansen sought to meet with Obama for years to warn him about just how serious climate change was, and Obama refused to meet him. Its as though Roosevelt refused to meet with Einstein when Einstein requested a meeting to warn Roosevelt about the nuclear bomb. Thats what is called willful ignorance---if Obama didn't know enough about climate change to write a Treaty with some teeth in it, its because Obama intentionally didn't want to know enough.
AND, in the years since the Paris Accords was signed, its become apparent that CO2 emissions have ACCELERATED, not declined, and global warming is not stopping because Obama and the others signed an agreement ordering to climate to warm no more then
1.5° 2.0°C. If any of these people had a shred of honesty they would admit the Paris accords have failed to stop global warming and have failed to reduce CO2 emissions....but Obama and the others say nothing.
If Obama wasn't intentionally a liar when he put together the Paris Accords, its because he intentionally refused to see the facts or meet the people who could tell him the facts. In any event, he has been proven to be a liar by subsequent events---the Paris Accord is fatally flawed and has already failed in spite of Obama's brainless boasting about how his agreement would stop global warming. We're on track to hit 1.85°C ABOVE the pre-industrail global temp baseline this year....within spitting distance of the 2°C limit Obama claimed to have created just 3 years ago.
Ibon wrote:Without being partisan I do agree with ASG in this case. . Trump, for all his honesty, is a serious step backward even if Obama was all platitudes and no real substance.
Of course. Obama was a slyly dishonest climate criminal, and Trump is a stupid blundering ignorant climate criminal. They have turned out to both be bad news for the chance of getting a post-Kyoto UN climate treaty that will actually mandate CO2 emission reductions.
Meanwhile the climate is going haywire. Huge areas of forest in California are burning up every summer as are forests in Australia and Siberia and parts of Europe and forests in other temperates areas (Even Winnie the Poo's beloved 100 acre wood in England is on fire in a heat wave right now). Meanwhile the Antarctic and the Arctic and the sub-Arctic, where I live, is changing forever and CO2 is now accumulating in the atmosphere quicker then ever and China continues to build hundreds of coal-fired power plants in spite of being a signatory in good standing to the Paris Accords (see link in my post on the prior page of this thread).
Cheers!