onlooker wrote:I was able to access it. Yes, basically confirming that Capitalism and the Growth Economy must end period, if we really are serious about doing something.
onlooker wrote:I was able to access it. Yes, basically confirming that Capitalism and the Growth Economy must end period, if we really are serious about doing something.
KaiserJeep wrote:onlooker wrote:I was able to access it. Yes, basically confirming that Capitalism and the Growth Economy must end period, if we really are serious about doing something.
The problem being, we know of nothing whatsoever that actually works, other than what we have. One can postulate another economic system that functions, that does not mean that it exists or can be made to work.
Cog wrote:onlooker wrote:I was able to access it. Yes, basically confirming that Capitalism and the Growth Economy must end period, if we really are serious about doing something.
I guess if you prefer being a subject instead of a citizen you might think that way.
onlooker wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with Newf. I think you meant to invert that reply Newf, to Cog. He supports it in his actions while rebelling against it in his words.
I think Kaiser is right though, this modern form of Capitalism that incorporates growth, wanton consumption and money creation, unbridled profit making as its bedrock principles has been TOO successful. It is an anachronism, useful at time when population was not so high or energy so plentiful. It is now a cancer, its success will destroy its host ie Earth as a life sustaining planet and thus itself
onlooker wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with Newf. I think you meant to invert that reply Newf, to Cog. He supports it in his actions while rebelling against it in his words.
I think Kaiser is right though, this modern form of Capitalism that incorporates growth, wanton consumption and money creation, unbridled profit making as its bedrock principles has been TOO successful. It is an anachronism, useful at time when population was not so high or energy so plentiful. It is now a cancer, its success will destroy its host ie Earth as a life sustaining planet and thus itself
Cog wrote:A capitalist system, which I endorse, allows me to bow out of consumerism, as I have chosen. I do not want the government making that choice for me. Which is why I made the distinction of subject versus citizen.
Please spare me from people who know what is good for me and seek to enforce their vision upon me by force.
Newfie wrote:
I keep harping on the difference between Consumerisim and Capitalisim because it is crucial to understanding our path forward.
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onlooker wrote:You think that is what people really want.? To step out of consumerism. Look at China and India, they have embraced it. Cog is an example of the modern human emblematic of the Tragedy of the Commons. Each individual empowered to do as they wish. Newf, Cog is a rich world citizen, surrounded by civilization and its energy consuming ways. Restraint on consumerism does not negate the world built around him or his dependence on it.
Ibon wrote:Newfie wrote:
I keep harping on the difference between Consumerisim and Capitalisim because it is crucial to understanding our path forward.
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I think this distinction you have been drawing is important actually. The pressures of constraining resources may result in a decoupling of sorts between the culture of consumption and the basic bones of the economic system of capitalism. ?? Yeah, I can imagine....
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