roccman wrote:onlooker wrote:Actually, my bad. The thesis should have been the financial system and the attendant needs and wants of all the humans is destroying the Environment of the world in terms of favorable habitation conditions. I notice that some of you do not spend to much time on the Environment forum. Well, I am making a post there that will be titled "BAU is the final nail in the coffin" . Because while some of you do make some keen points about how the Economies of the world are still functioning and staying afloat. Every day modern civilization and our huge numbers are debilitating the resiliency of the Biosphere and its ability to sustain life. So, I know this is a PO site but we all know this is the case but some of us are more forthright about it.
There was a time when humans lived in equilibrium with the earth...one tribe...one law. That was a very long time ago. The mob being given breeding rights changed things. As such, equilibrium was lost and the default button pushed...that is - the mob will assist with building an ark, but will not be invited on the ark. The sooner folk realize that the mob has killed earth and that those in power have been forced into the defacto alternative - more time can be spent by the individual designing a way to attach a dingy to the ark.
I seriously doubt living in perfect equilibrium, simply because math tells me that not very likely,... more like the rate of growth or decay was much, much, much smaller in the past
what supercharged growth in the past 100 years, is fossil fuels and the financial sector, which enabled trade,... consider 100+ years ago here in the USA 1/2 the population was involved in the ag sector,... even in china 40 years ago a majority of the population there had to grow their own food
what I'm trying to say is fossil fuels and the financial sector, which enabled trade, etc., also made life less difficult so human populations grew exponentially!
IMHO the seeds have been sown (long ago), in a PSYOP chain reaction that started long ago @ UCSD
***allegedly*** Revelle in 1992 wrote:"Look before you leap - Drastic, precipitous—and, especially, unilateral—steps to delay the putative greenhouse impacts can cost jobs and prosperity and increase the human costs of global poverty, without being effective. Stringent economic controls now would be economically devastating particularly for developing countries..."
which will swing the pendulum in the other direction,...
Climate "realists" want U.S. to stop spending money on climate change - CBS News
A group of climate change skeptics who call themselves "climate realists" think the U.S. has spent too much money on climate change already, and they want the government to stop. Climate scientists, the U.N. and NASA dismiss these arguments as propaganda for fossil fuel interests. Dean Reynolds reports.
http://download.cbsnews.com/media/mpx/2 ... 30_740.mp4
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/climate-r ... te-change/
looked at another way the economic/finance domino sector (has yet to fall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg
which in turn most likely cause human populations to fall precipitously