pstarr wrote:One might have predicted the thirteen Saturn V moon rockets would someday go on to be the commuter plane of the future. But one would have been wrong.
pstarr wrote:Wanna go to the moon and back?
AgentR11 wrote:pstarr wrote:Wanna go to the moon and back?
And back.... that is the sorry failure of our imagination and will.
Heavy lift is next. Small steps.
pstarr wrote:Need much more to get this to Mars for serious mining effort.
Lore wrote:Or just possibly no lift. The fickled finger of fate could just as easily deny any space future. My crystal ball is just as good as yours.
Big Oil is finally contemplating the unthinkable, and until recently what was also unimaginable for them. What if every car solar across the globe was an electric vehicle? What would that do to their trillion-dollar business model? Well, they’ve looked at it. They’ve crunched the numbers. But they are not telling. At least that is the sense you get BP’s latest Energy Outlook, now a major annual event that gives an insight into how quickly Big Oil is prepared to concede that the energy transition will occur. Because of who they are, and what’s at stake, you can reliably assume that the predicted transition would never be too quick to scare off their investors. And that holds true in this latest edition. Still, the latest BP Energy Outlook ponders this very question: What if – in 2040 – internal combustion engines were banned across the
GoIllini wrote:I think we will be running on natural gas for the next ~30 years.
U.S. energy storage market to nearly triple this year
Reuters Reuters•March 6, 2018
By Nichola Groom
March 6 (Reuters) - U.S. deployments of energy storage systems will nearly triple this year thanks to sharply lower costs and state policies that support the case for installing batteries in homes, businesses and along the power grid.
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Storage system costs have fallen by roughly two thirds in the last five years, Manghani said. In addition, more states are mandating utilities procure storage systems.
asg70 wrote:The narrative went up in smoke once lithium overtook NiMh and Chevy broke from its mustache-twisting role and introduced the Volt. Now nobody talks about Cobasys and NiMh anymore. But at the time, that narrative was extremely attractive to the leftie/greenie contingent who were feeling like they were under the heel of the Bush administration and his oil cronies.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:GM is treating the Bolt like a compliance car.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:Either GM is as stupid and hapless...
asg70 wrote:OS, you really should spend more time keeping up with the news. GM has more EVs in the pipeline. They just haven't revealed them yet. I don't think they are going out of their way to push the Bolt because they know it was a rushjob and its lifecycle will be brief. Wait for the next wave.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:asg70 wrote:OS, you really should spend more time keeping up with the news. GM has more EVs in the pipeline. They just haven't revealed them yet. I don't think they are going out of their way to push the Bolt because they know it was a rushjob and its lifecycle will be brief. Wait for the next wave.
OK. So I think the difference between us is you are putting a LOT of faith in what may or may not be empty promises by GM and other car builders.
If they build a few EV's will they be good, re what people want? Or will they merely be more compliance cars?
Given the way car companies (re marketeers) tend to promise the world and then under deliver or not deliver at all (look how many concept cars grace the halls of auto shows, never to be seen again), I'm in the "show me" mode.
The reason I was enthused about the Bolt was it was SUPPOSEDLY going to be an EV people in all 50 US states could buy NOW, or certainly by mid-2018 or so. Instead, it's mostly a pack of lies, re availability, reminding me, thus far, of the Model 3 and Musk's over-promising.
I actually look for EV news quite a bit. And unsurprisingly, GM's promises of what they will supposedly do in 3 or 5 years, don't stand out much from VW, Volvo, Ford, Toyota, and on and on.
Semantics, I guess.
Look, I'll be simply DELIGHTED if in 2023 the world is virtually blanketed with real world volume production of high quality middle class cost EV's, which are easily obtainable and readily and reliably serviced in or near my top 100 red state city.
Not compliance cars. Not cars not sold or serviced in my state by a dealer. Not cars they won't have in stock until 2025, etc. Not cars that cost $50,000 and up and have significant issues re daily convenience.
We'll see. IMO, the jury is still out.
StarvingLion wrote:Unless someone Masters The Quantum in about 2 year and produces electric vehicles that are far superior than Tesla's lame offerings, the USA Housing Stock is Worthless.
Incremental improvements over decades are not going to cut it. 2 YEAR before the Permian goes bust
And, no, GM, Ford, BMW, VW, etc and whatnot are not going to be successful pure EV manufacturers.
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