Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote: Love is the right response for finding a long term relationship that leads to procreation, and builds strong secure tribes that promote the survival of your relatives or descendants. Hate can be the driving force that lets you fight off an attacker in a kill or be killed survival situation.
Ibon wrote:
I am also though humbly aware that what lies in the region of logic and reason cannot get very far in really and truly understanding the workings of these emotional states.
roccman wrote:In my mind - there is no "self-regulation" rather it is imposed by a yet undefined "third party".
asg70 wrote:roccman wrote:In my mind - there is no "self-regulation" rather it is imposed by a yet undefined "third party".
You only have as much freedom as your life circumstances allow.
The most sincere attempt at a benign utopia will be forced, as Al Bartlett explained, to institute dystopian measures in the interest of preventing a Malthusian die-off.
The moralistic flailing around I see here with the vaguely tinfoil/NWO subtext seems to heavily resist the above. It's bargaining.
Freedom is not at the top of my value-list because total freedom results in tragedy of the commons. That's why I can't completely get on board with libertarians. At some point you have to see cause and effect beyond your immediate surroundings. To insist that the optimal state of affairs is unrestricted freedom is...tragedy of the commons. It's Plant flying to Greece and elsehwere while finger-pointing at Obama or whoever else.
There is this ideologically-based cognitive dissonance that persists even with those who have been grappling with limits to growth issues for many years.
In the end we're selfish and we want to have our cake and eat it too. We want "the other guy" to make sacrifices, not us. We fearmonger about the tyranny of one-child policies or banning plastic bags or carbon taxes. We just won't man the F up and deal.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Anger is a high energy state, it burns itself out and becomes simple resentment in a short time. You may get flare up now and then from resentment back to anger, but you can live in a state of resentment for decades without consuming yourself. If you lived very long in Anger you would lash out repeatedly until someone or something ended your ability to do so.
onlooker wrote:
So across the social, political and economic spectrum, I think you are seeing a profound dysfunctionality in American society and this is leaving people profoundly disenchanted and disillusioned with the System and so where possible people are "dropping" out from the System. This phenomenon is itself under reported it seems to me yet clearly growing.
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