Rural Utilities ServiceElectric Programs
The Electric Program provides capital and leadership to maintain, expand, upgrade and modernize America’s vast rural electric infrastructure. The loans and loan guarantees finance the construction or improvement of electric distribution, transmission and generation facilities in rural areas. The Electric Program also provides funding to support demand-side management, energy efficiency and conservation programs, and on-and off-grid renewable energy systems.
Rural Electrification AdministrationThe disincentives to investment in electrical infrastructure left rural America increasingly distant from the rising standard of living in the urban and emerging suburban settings of the national economy. Lacking the greater productive efficiencies secured by the adaptation of electricity, productivity growth in agriculture, the industry that served as the central organizing principle for rural life, lagged other sectors in the economy over the 1880 to 1930 period. Rural demands for the newest manufactured items found in urban American homes — telephones, radios, refrigerators, washing machines, hot water heaters, and household appliances — were latent. The failure of the market, which left rural areas literally and figuratively in the dark, required an aggressive federal initiative to insure that residents of sparsely populated areas were no longer comparatively disadvantaged in the twentieth-century American economy.
The R.E.A. is considered one of the most immediate and profound successes in the history of federal policy-making for the national economy. By the end of 1938, just two years after its inception, 350 cooperative projects in 45 states were delivering electricity to 1.5 million farms. The success of the R.E.A. over the next two decades was even more impressive, especially as a self-sustained financing agency. By the mid-1950s nearly all American farms had electrical service that was provided through the R.E.A. or by other means. Monies lent through the R.E.A. were also largely repaid, as the default rate was less than one percent. Moreover, as with any significant surge in investment, the accompanying new demands for household electrical appliances spurred growth in home appliance manufacturing, and spawned the electrical and plumbing trades in rural communities. Electrical service also brought revolutionary new mediums of communication to rural farms, firms and households. Radio was followed by television, and the new streams of information narrowed the cultural, educational and commercial divide between urban and rural America.
KaiserJeep wrote:In fact, using the IER figures and quoting from the first message in the thread:Coal : $0.032/kWh and 10,000 deaths/Trillion kWh (US figure, global average is 10X)
Gas: $0.045/kWh and 4,000 deaths/Trillion kWh
Solar PV: $0.160/kWh and 440 deaths/Trillion kWh
(rooftop)
Wind: $0.100/kWh and 150 deaths/Trillion kWh
Nuclear: $0.022/kWh and 0.1 deaths/Trillion kWh
At the wholesale (power plant) level, Solar PV is 500% as expensive as coal and Wind is 313% as expensive. In any case, you are making an apples/oranges comparison.
It's not a Germany vs US thing. It's a trusted source vs BS propaganda thing. EIA gives basically the same numbers as Germany:cephalotus wrote:Interesting numbers.
In cloudy Germany new solar PV plants produce electricity at 0.07$/kWh (less f you calculate over 30 years) and wind energy is around 0.06$/kWh
That's exactly the production cost of NEW built gas or coal powered powerplants over here. This does not include cost for emission of CO2. (which currently are almost zero anyway)
So new renewable cost more for grid integration, but not for production.
Cost for new nuclear power is unknown (we don't built any new ones in Germany), if we take the feed in tarif for Hinkley C as an example price of new nuclear power will be around 0,14$/kWh (and rising with inflation) and this does not include insurance against major accidents and does not include waste management.
So I wonder why the numbers for the US should be so different. Actually wind and especially PV should be much cheaper in US, because you have better solar and wind resources. Natural gas should also be cheaper.
Levelized Cost of New Generation Resources in the Annual Energy Outlook 2017Table 1a. Estimated LCOE (weighted average of regional values based on projected capacity additions) for new generation resources, plants entering service in 2022
Wind $0.56/kWh
Gas CC $0.59/kWh
Solar PV $0.74/kWh
Nuclear $0.96 /kWh
This is how the Kochs’ anti-renewable agenda becomes White House policyIER receives funding specifically to produce research papers that attack renewable energy and promote fossil fuels. With Koch brothers-linked groups serving as its major funders, IER “can get away with more extreme views, especially on renewable energy, than either Heritage or the American Enterprise Institute does.” IER has been promoting its pro-coal, anti-renewable energy agenda for years. IER plays “a very valuable and preconceived function within this greater Koch network, which is to provide academic ammunition for the other groups that fight for the Koch brothers and the oil and gas agenda writ large.” As usually happens with other groups in the Koch network, they will specifically attack the enemies of Koch Industries’ profit centers. So… they attack solar and wind.”
Link to source please.KaiserJeep wrote:Let us regroup here for a minute. The IER figures are historical, in the sense that they were wholesale power generating costs from 2016. Until we are all using the same figures based on the same assumptions, duelling figures are a waste of time. I gave my source and an adequate description of what was measured, not projected.
So the EIA is pushing a renewable energy agenda now? How do you figure that?KaiserJeep wrote:and the projections are from people with a renewable energy agenda.
No carbon taxes. No European values. These are US figures. If you want the values including tax credits, here they are:KaiserJeep wrote:Lastly, are those prices quoted generating costs? Because I suspect that they include the carbon taxes present in Europe.
Levelized Cost of New Generation Resources in the Annual Energy Outlook 2017Wind $0.44/kWh
Solar PV $0.58/kWh
Gas CC $0.59/kWh
Nuclear $0.96/kWh
ROCKMAN wrote:Gassy - Didn't know anything about Scottish wind power. Very impressive: Scotland TODAY can easily be powered 100% by wind. The UK...not so much. I assume the new Scottish offshore wind has been developed to sell power thru out the UK. Didn't search but is all of UK on the same grid?
Wind turbines a "blight" on the scenery? Purely subjective IMO.
From 6 Oct 2017: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/06/scotlan ... cient.html
"Wind turbines produced double the amount of power required to meet Scotland's electricity needs Monday, according to researchers. Environmental group WWF Scotland said Friday that analysis of data provided by WeatherEnergy showed the country's wind turbines sent 86,467 megawatt hours of electricity to the National Grid on Monday.
That day, total electricity consumption in Scotland – including homes, industry and businesses – was 41,866 megawatt hours, WWF Scotland said, meaning that wind power produced the equivalent of 206 percent of the nation's needs."
Sounds like the English, Welch and Irish need to get their asses in gear. LOL
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