Doly wrote:Haven't been here for years, literally. I used to have a job in a call-centre that allowed me plenty of time in the Internet between calls. Then I got busy getting involved in the local Transition Town, rather than posting stuff on the Internet. I just have some free time lately, and I wondered how the old forums went. And I see the quality has dropped like a stone.
Doly wrote:Sure, the doomers always went too far. But at least in the forum I remember, the optimists weren't entirely disconnected from reality.
Doly wrote:Dear optimist: Have you noticed how the stories about "peak oil demand" are full of contradictions? If not, let me point it out to you:
1. They surprisingly rarely say that they expect oil prices will go down, in spite that it would be a logical consequence of oil production going down due to lack of demand.
Doly wrote:2. They almost always contain a line saying that "peak oil supply" has been discredited. How come? Peak oil supply simply states that, oil being a finite resource, at some point production must peak. It's a logical consequence of it being finite. You can then argue about the date of this peak. You cannot argue that the inevitability of this peak is a "theory".
Doly wrote:3. They somehow ignore that surely there will be some places in poorer countries where there will still be a demand for traditional liquid fuel vehicles because the infrastructure for electric vehicles won't be there.
Doly wrote:4. The stories also go that Big Oil companies are thinking of diversifying into plastics. Why plastics? Why not selling the traditional oil products to other potential buyers, as per point 3?
Doly wrote:Is it possible, just possible, that "peak oil demand" is the new fashionable name for "peak oil", just denying the fact that the peak in production is because of problems in supply?
Doly wrote:So, to the question that people were asking back in the day, when I used to be a regular in these forums: Do The Powers That Be know? I'm pretty sure by now the answer is: Yeah, sure.
Doly wrote:But hey, what do I know. I'm just one of the little people. But don't insult my intelligence by saying that oh, people are absolutely certain about a decline in demand, which needs to go into the secret of what people may desire in the future, but at the same time, a peak in supply is an unproven theory. In the real world, people's desires are uncertain. Physical facts are not.
Doly wrote: I just have some free time lately, and I wondered how the old forums went. And I see the quality has dropped like a stone.
Hawkcreek wrote: The only two states I haven't been to are New Hampshire and Vermont, so those are high priority now.
I will check in from time to time if I find some good wifi spots.
Till then, yall take care now.
ROCKMAN wrote:Interesting developments considering how often we hear from some folks here that the petroleum industry is on its last leg and on the verge of going down the toilet, eh?
KaiserJeep wrote:People have definately and without any doubt confidently been predicting TEOTWAWKI since Biblical times - we have the historical records to prove it.
kaiserjeep wrote:But it's not a healthy preoccupation, either. In fact, it's dangerous. The Jonestown mass suicide was an extreme symptom, Michael Ruppert eating his gun another.
kaiserjeep wrote:The human race is in overshoot. Nature is correcting the problem, or will soon - within say, two centuries. Don't get even slightly invested in Doom in your lifetime, or you'll be severely disappointed.
AdamB wrote:Matt Savinar did seem to be afraid of his band of happy zealots, there at the end. When he cut the dead albatross of peak oil from around his neck, he did it fast and hard and did a wonderful expose on the religious beliefs that populated LATOC.
asg70 wrote:AdamB wrote:Matt Savinar did seem to be afraid of his band of happy zealots, there at the end. When he cut the dead albatross of peak oil from around his neck, he did it fast and hard and did a wonderful expose on the religious beliefs that populated LATOC.
I may be misinterpreting your snark but did Matt Savinar ever write any sort of blog post or press release explaining his exit from LATOC?
asg70 wrote:
Another person who has exited the scene is Sharon Astyk. The last time she wrote anything remotely related to doom/sustainability was three years ago and she put her farm up for sale last year.
asg70 wrote:
Ultimately people's actions speak louder than words. Even those here who are still beating the doomer drum so loudly, how many are feverishly prepping like so many were 10 years ago? I think...not many. People still cling to their ideologies for the sake of protecting their fragile egos but at a visceral level most of us have hit the proverbial snooze bar.
AdamB wrote:He did. Several versions. And then erased them all along with the 2 alternate web forums he attempted to migrate to, as LATOC 1 imploded under the weight of the neediness of its posters.
ROCKMAN wrote:
And there you have it: the workings of a bored mind stuck on a drill site with a broken rig with nothing else to do. LOL.
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