ROCKMAN wrote:
Again what y'all have done is admirable. But how much would have been possible without the infrastructure that exists as a result of our voluminous fossil fuel consumption? Some credit should be acknowledged, don't ya think?
Ibon wrote:ROCKMAN wrote:
Again what y'all have done is admirable. But how much would have been possible without the infrastructure that exists as a result of our voluminous fossil fuel consumption? Some credit should be acknowledged, don't ya think?
The tourists that come to Totumas to enjoy fossil fuel free renewable energy flew here on airplanes.
The solar panels Baha puts on his roof were manufactured and transported to his location using fossil fuels.
Kaiser is not walking or taking a horse to Wisconsin when he starts his new retired low energy life style.
The only folks right now who can really earn the badge of sustainable living are all those Floridians sweating in their homes with no power and no air conditioning.
Cog wrote:Chaos presents opportunity.
Cog wrote:LOL China has zero intent to move away from oil. Their deals, acquisitions, and desire for hegemony over the South China sea tell a whole different story. China means to have oil even if it involves war with another super-power.
onlooker wrote:Can we in rich countries pull off a managed gradual energy descent and not descend into total chaos. I think we may be able to if we all totally buy into the notion that we must begin weaning off FF and living more simply. Then it is a matter of returning to tried and true methods of subsistence living practiced for thousands of years. And hopefully with a supportive structure of renewable energy. But nothing is certain and the wildcard is climate change and whether its impacts will overwhelm societies ability to cope.
onlooker wrote:Peripato, now why destroy my illusions haha. I think everyone can attest to my doomerish outlook on most issues. I was trying to play devil's advocate. I have to see some hope for humanity don't I ?
peripato wrote:onlooker wrote:Peripato, now why destroy my illusions haha. I think everyone can attest to my doomerish outlook on most issues. I was trying to play devil's advocate. I have to see some hope for humanity don't I ?
Abandon all hope. You'll sleep better at night.
Ibon wrote:peripato wrote:onlooker wrote:Peripato, now why destroy my illusions haha. I think everyone can attest to my doomerish outlook on most issues. I was trying to play devil's advocate. I have to see some hope for humanity don't I ?
Abandon all hope. You'll sleep better at night.
Hope for humanity is double speak for keeping the BAU going.
Maybe the hope for humanity is yielding to that very thing we try so hard to resist.
Worship the .....................
pstarr wrote:I do all that and way more, and it made no difference. I am good with that. Really
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