Cog wrote:We aren't going to feed these maniacs. This president will not try to appease them. Kim is going to blunder into a war though and the world is going to pay a price for it.
Meanwhile.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/04/worl ... -test.html
HONG KONG — One day after its latest nuclear test, North Korea appears to be making preparations to launch a ballistic missile, a South Korean official said Monday.
South Korea’s military has observed the preparations for a North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile test, Chang Kyung-soo, a South Korean Defense Ministry official, told lawmakers, The Associated Press reported.
onlooker wrote:What makes this situation so difficult and perilous beyond that Kim is a nutcase who happens to apparently possess some potent weapons is that this is a standoff between the US and China. I suspect that even as China concedes somewhat to the US about the aggressiveness of N.Korea, secretly Kim is China's mad dog keeping the US off balance in that region. Whatever the US does it must take into account how it will affect China. So that any action must allow China to save face and appear in the eyes of the public as being firm and strong. We know China is very much into public perception and saving face. That does not mean US should simply be accepting but this situation is getting to be as tense as the Cuban Missile Crisis.
vtsnowedin wrote:I would hate to be one of the entourage that is around Kim each day and night. You would always fear that the South Koreans or the USA would find out exactly where Kim was or was sleeping and drop one of those mega conventional bombs on him and give him and everyone around him a dirt nap.
Now don't try to tell me the CIA and others have not considered it.
onlooker wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:I would hate to be one of the entourage that is around Kim each day and night. You would always fear that the South Koreans or the USA would find out exactly where Kim was or was sleeping and drop one of those mega conventional bombs on him and give him and everyone around him a dirt nap.
Now don't try to tell me the CIA and others have not considered it.
I think at this point Kim's fate and that of his entourage is resting on China. If China finallly believes that its better to allow a leadership change to happen, the next day the US would take him out. He will be sleeping with the fishes haha.
vtsnowedin wrote: Do you think the USA needs to ask China's permission?
Plantagenet wrote:vtsnowedin wrote: Do you think the USA needs to ask China's permission?
It does if we're afraid of what China will do if we don't ask for China's permission.
May I have your permission to kick this #$%$#@'s butt?
I'm not sure just what you are getting at there. After the fall of South Vietnam which was indeed a victory for the Communist forces both Chinese and Russian (or was one more dominate then the other?) there seems to be little intervention by China or anybody else in South East Asia that I am aware of. What have I forgotten or missed entirely?ralfy wrote:One point to consider in light of that is Chinese intervention in SE Asia from the late 1980s to the present. The U.S. did very little to counter that.
onlooker wrote:I think another important factor exists in this situation. That is how the US evaluates truly Kim. One thing is what they say and their overt displays of power. Another thing is how much of a threat does the US truly perceive Kim is. Do they think he is really so unstable that he would risk his obliteration and of those around them for a limited blow to the US or South Korea. So, if the US truly thinks that Kim is mad crazy, then the US may go ahead with regime change regardless of the wishes of China.
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