Cog wrote:Unless you address costs, TrumpCare will end up exactly where ObamaCare did.
Paulo1 wrote:The point of this is that bad things can happen to good people. (Even you two idiots)
There is a solution. It is called single-payer. There are drawbacks, but basically the Canadian healthcare system provides better outcomes at about 60% of the cost of the US system.
When I was 30, and fit as hell (I might add), I developed a stomach ache. I blew it off because I did not have time to be sick. I was too busy working. Well, it turned out into a ruptured appendix and I developed peritonitis. Two operations later, and after a short stay in hospital I returned to work. If I had been a US citizen we would have lost our house. As a Canadian living with single-payer I did not receive a bill.
I have always been fit, and I have always been debt free. I am still fit and debt free retirng at age 57. This has nothing to do with the vagaries of contracting disease, or having an accident. Bad things can happen to good people. Maybe even you.
You folks would not state such idiotic things if you had had a child develop luekemia, or something else. What, would you say, "They asked for it"? Show some compassion and use your imagination before you post. Your smugness is showing.
Newfie wrote:That's a bad situation. Sounds like you had the money, here's hoping it did not break you.
If I understand you correctly, in Poland the single payer treatments you describe are available to everyone.
Let's look at the USA BEFORE Obama care. Annual HOUSEHOLD income here is about $43,000, before taxes. So our per person average, take home, is probably a bit over $2,000.
So in the USA there are 4 classes.
Poor...get MediAID, GOVERNMENT sponsored insurance for the poor.
Over 65... get Medicare, GOVERNMENT sponsored insurance for the old.
Higher paid workers...get insurance through their employment.
Working poor, self employed, small company worker, high risk ...get squat.
ACA was attempting to provide insurance to those excluded by the previous system.
So it's not easy to compare Poland to the USA.
Some have tried to describe our old system as a heavy tax for moving yourself out of poverty. Once you cross a certain income threshold you loose Medicare without any alternative.
O care has serious problems, it is better than the previous system. Trump is in a good position. All he has to do is IMPROVE O care and he will seem a hero. Let's hope he does that.
Ibon wrote:Cog wrote:Unless you address costs, TrumpCare will end up exactly where ObamaCare did.
That's correct. The costs of medical procedures, drugs and insurance is at the end controlled by the industries that lobby to defend their profits. There is a giant cartel at play here that are shafting the American consumer. Anyone who has lived in foreign countries and has compared the costs knows this is the result of artificially inflated prices engineered by the industries who have an army of lobbyists in DC.
Trump will confront this same brick wall Obama did in trying to dismantle this cartel.
Trump would have to feel a rising tide of outrage from the public that would rival the force that lobbyists currently have. This requires an educated electorate.
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