Cog wrote:Even degrading a Russian counter-attack by 90% doesn't gain us a great deal.
onlooker wrote:Exactly they had command and control bunkers and installations such as the impressive NORAD, sitting deep inside a mountain fortified with extra heavy doors and barriers all throughout the cold war. I do not recall us little people having anything similar done for us.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
onlooker wrote:Interesting Tanada, what about that whole routine of duck and cover that I believe they even drilled the students with, too seek cover under the school tables. I wonder how widely that was practiced and if people at that time, really believed it would keep them safe. This is all nostalgia because of MAD, but nevertheless the threat of a nuclear detonation even from rogue terrorists remains. I also heard accounts of survivors of Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the accounts are horrific as they literally paint a hellish picture. I know I personally would rather die instantly than be a so-called survivor. Anyway, not sure all these preparations would have sufficed for the majority of victims but at least they had that.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
seahorse3 wrote:These aren't only the ramblings of a former ambassador. Back in 2006, a piece put out by the highly influential CFR said a nuclear first strike by the US was winnable
http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2006/04/us-thinks-first-strike-on-russia-china.html?m=1
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
onlooker wrote:Cog that sounds about right but this all gets complicated considering radiation sickness, destroyed and ablaze infrastructure etc. Also, how prepared and equipped is a society to deal with such a devastating event. Tanada as always gives us great in depth analysis. I wonder Tanada how prepared or not is let us say a city Iike New York city is , which I live near too, to deal with let us say the explosion of a briefcase size nuclear weapon or even a EMP attack? I mean in terms of containing casualties and being able to recover and rebuild in a reasonable period of time? Just curious and yes I admit a little apprehensive knowing NY is always viewed as a desirable target.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Cog wrote:I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.
shortonoil wrote:"Bah, I reject this "unlucky to survive" mantra completely."
The out come of such an event would be more horrible than the mind can conceive. Save yourself a bullet!
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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