Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Lore wrote:It has to be politicized, that is the area from which any action can be taken. Science reports, it's up to us to take the appropriate measures and with something this major, unfortunately, a political solution is the only option.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Lore wrote:The world is not going to hold hands and come together and buy a coke while singing in perfect harmony. It will take political will and action on a grand scale.
Lore wrote:And you would do what Plant? Got a better plan within reality to move forward?
ennui2 wrote:... just keep blaming Obama for everything down to hangnails and stubbed toes.
Lore wrote:And you would do what Plant? Got a better plan within reality to move forward?
Lore wrote:And you would do what Plant? Got a better plan … to move forward?
Plantagenet wrote:Lore wrote:And you would do what Plant? Got a better plan … to move forward?
I assume you mean on climate change?
Sure….I'd go back to the Bali agreement negotiated at the UN conference in Bali in 2007. This is the treaty that was going to be ratified at Copenhagen in 2009 before Obama and the CHinese got into their little tiff and derailed the conference.
The Bali agreement was a binding agreement that required CO2 reductions from all participants.
In comparison the Paris agreement isn't binding, no longer sets CO2 target but instead sets a goal of keeping T increases under 2°C, and locks in special status for China and India and other non-western countries who are allowed to increase their CO2 production instead of reducing it.
cheers!
Lore wrote:….how would you get other countries to agree to a bindiing agreement? Just saying.
To goal of the meeting is have many western nations make non-binding promises to cut CO2 emissions, while countries like China and India will be allowed increase their emissions until their citizens are as affluent as westerners.
Lore wrote: How do you force the hand of emerging nations on an issue which would, well, make them less emerging.
Plantagenet wrote:Lore wrote: How do you force the hand of emerging nations on an issue which would, well, make them less emerging.
Obviously you don't know much about energy.
There is no reason why electricity can't be generated from windmills, solar cells, and other renewable technologies that don't emit carbon, instead of the coal-and NG-fired power plants that developing countries now are building.
Emerging countries should skip reproducing the antiquated 19th century coal-fired infrastructure and skip directly to a 21st century infrastructure based on carbon-free energy sources.
Lore wrote:The world is not going to hold hands and come together and buy a coke while singing in perfect harmony. It will take political will and action on a grand scale. There will always be forces that will opt for what they can get today rather than think about tomorrow and this is what must be overcome.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
drwater wrote: China, India, etc. should have no right to increase their emissions when we all know the global carbon sequestration capacity is being greatly exceeded.
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