SeaGypsy wrote:Maybe you need to watch building 7 being demolished over & over until you can admit at least 1 fact. Or too scary, that rabbit hole? Really weak.
One thing troothers always insist on is the last word. Weak.
SeaGypsy wrote:Maybe you need to watch building 7 being demolished over & over until you can admit at least 1 fact. Or too scary, that rabbit hole? Really weak.
SeaGypsy wrote:Bullcrap straw man argument.
Your position is very clear: building 7 fell into its own footprint in seconds due to office fires. Any sane human being can see it came down in a textbook demolition. To you this perfectly rational & sane conclusion is 'trufer CT tinfoil'. Which makes you either an idiot or a slave of MSM.
SeaGypsy wrote:Diss admits 7 was demolished, but sees no condradiction in validating the rest of NIST. Surely the demolition was pre-rigged. This means it was planned, in advance. This implies the entire story is lies. Mos & Diss & others here do no service to their own dignity in defending liars & murderers.
They don't even bother to learn about the actual building design and lap up stories about thermite and the kerosene fires not being hot enough to weaken the steel "frame". There was no steel frame in the twin towers.
onlooker wrote:They don't even bother to learn about the actual building design and lap up stories about thermite and the kerosene fires not being hot enough to weaken the steel "frame". There was no steel frame in the twin towers.
Here is this that refutes what your saying above.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... lition.htm
According to the "official" story, there is no significant lateral support for the walls (against wind loading) between the ground and top floors. This is like a bridge with a 1,300 foot span between supports. Even though the tube structure of the perimeter wall was designed for maximum rigidity (within the given weight specifications) the 1,300 foot span between supporting pillars, meant that even this very rigid design would sag in the midsection under wind loading, just like a bridge with such a span. In a typical steel framed building the span between pillars is only 12 feet (one floor) and such a problem does not arise.
I haven't actually looked into that stuff in detail.SeaGypsy wrote:His not just insinuating, but directly calling me & Keith as tinfoilers on the basis of requiring recognition of the fact of building 7 being a planned demolition is nothing short of infantile insult.
dissident wrote:Your POS link is indeed a POS. The above is patent nonsense. The "sagging" under wind load is what happens in any skyscraper. Skyscrapers also sway like reeds in the wind. The design of the WTC twin towers consisted of a reinforced concrete core which anchored the floor beams. These floor beams were attached to the outer shell wall via clips. Nothing else held up the whole structure. That's right nothing else.
http://www.science-writing.org/id29.html
The above link misses the obvious that the domino could start without a fire but gives some references.
Clearly people have a comprehension problem in this subject. The outer wall had no ability to stand up on its own. The floor trusses were vital in holding it in place and maintaining its shape. There is no way that the outer wall would stay intact if the truss clips were sheared off in sufficient number. The two plane impacts ripped off the clips from more than one floor and over a substantial fraction of one of the faces. Any deformation of the outer tube results in shearing off more clips in a catastrophic cascade. The truss floors then collapse leading to an amplification of the clip shearing failure cascade. It is important to highlight the fact that from the outside this deformation would appear almost invisible at the initial stages. You can't eyeball a deformation of a few inches but this deformation is enough to shear off the clips attaching the trusses to the outer shell.
GregT wrote:dissident wrote:Your POS link is indeed a POS. The above is patent nonsense. The "sagging" under wind load is what happens in any skyscraper. Skyscrapers also sway like reeds in the wind. The design of the WTC twin towers consisted of a reinforced concrete core which anchored the floor beams. These floor beams were attached to the outer shell wall via clips. Nothing else held up the whole structure. That's right nothing else.
http://www.science-writing.org/id29.html
The above link misses the obvious that the domino could start without a fire but gives some references.
Clearly people have a comprehension problem in this subject. The outer wall had no ability to stand up on its own. The floor trusses were vital in holding it in place and maintaining its shape. There is no way that the outer wall would stay intact if the truss clips were sheared off in sufficient number. The two plane impacts ripped off the clips from more than one floor and over a substantial fraction of one of the faces. Any deformation of the outer tube results in shearing off more clips in a catastrophic cascade. The truss floors then collapse leading to an amplification of the clip shearing failure cascade. It is important to highlight the fact that from the outside this deformation would appear almost invisible at the initial stages. You can't eyeball a deformation of a few inches but this deformation is enough to shear off the clips attaching the trusses to the outer shell.
So Diss, now that you have so clearly explained to all of us why all of those engineers and architects are completely wrong.
What caused WT7 to collapse 7 hours after the twin towers collapsed, and why are most people not even aware that WT7 collapsed?
No plane impacts, no truss clips to rip off, no "deformation of the outer tube results in shearing off more clips in a catastrophic cascade".
So what is your explanation?
What happened on 9/11 has everything to do with the ongoing destabilization of the Middle East, AND the provocation of Russia.
On the morning of Tuesday, September 11, we were about 5 hours out of Frankfurt, flying over the North Atlantic.
All of a sudden the curtains parted and I was told to go to the cockpit, immediately, to see the captain.
As soon as I got there I noticed that the crew had that “All Business” look on their faces. The captain handed me a printed message. It was from Delta’s main office in Atlanta and simply read, “All airways over the Continental United States are closed to commercial air traffic. Land ASAP at the nearest airport. Advise your destination.”
No one said a word about what this could mean. We knew it was a serious situation and we needed to find terra firma quickly. The captain determined that the nearest airport was 400 miles behind us in Gander, Newfoundland.
He requested approval for a route change from the Canadian traffic controller and approval was granted immediately — no questions asked. We found out later, of course, why there was no hesitation in approving our request.
While the flight crew prepared the airplane for landing, another message arrived from Atlanta telling us about some terrorist activity in the New York area. A few minutes later word came in about the hijackings.
We decided to LIE to the passengers while we were still in the air. We told them the plane had a simple instrument problem and that we needed to land at the nearest airport in Gander, Newfoundland, to have it checked out.
We promised to give more information after landing in Gander. There was much grumbling among the passengers, but that’s nothing new! Forty minutes later, we landed in Gander. Local time at Gander was 12:30 PM …. that’s 11:00 AM EST.
There were already about 20 other airplanes on the ground from all over the
world that had taken this detour on their way to the US.
After we parked on the ramp, the captain made the following announcement: “Ladies and gentlemen, you must be wondering if all these airplanes around us have the same instrument problem as we have. The reality is that we are here for another reason.”
Then he went on to explain the little bit we knew about the situation in the US. There were loud gasps and stares of disbelief. The captain informed passengers that Ground control in Gander told us to stay put.
The Canadian Government was in charge of our situation and no one was allowed to get off the aircraft. No one on the ground was allowed to come near any of the air crafts. Only airport police would come around periodically, look us over and go on to the next airplane.
In the next hour or so more planes landed and Gander ended up with 53 airplanes from all over the world, 27 of which were US commercial jets.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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