dohboi wrote:
What was the crucial turning point that set us on our current path of seemingly universal destruction?
KaiserJeep wrote:Depends upon your entire point of view. I believe that the only purpose that Earth serves is to nurture human beings during our species infancy on the surface of the planet. If the Earth keeps enough humans alive to populate space, it has served it's purpose. You need not change anything.
GHung wrote: No room in his world view for negative outcomes.
Johnny Mercer -
You've got to accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between
You've got to spread joy up to the maximum
Bring gloom down to the minimum
Have faith, or pandemonium
Liable to walk upon the scene
(To illustrate his last remark
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they do
Just when everything looked so dark)
Man, they said we better
Accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between
No, do not mess with Mister In-Between
Do you hear me, hmm?
(Oh, listen to me children and-a you will hear
About the elininatin' of the negative
And the accent on the positive)
And gather 'round me children if you're willin'
And sit tight while I start reviewin'
The attitude of doin' right
(You've gotta accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don't mess with Mister In-Between)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZUmAbi0Vm4
Ibon wrote:dohboi wrote:
What was the crucial turning point that set us on our current path of seemingly universal destruction?
Fossil fuels together with germ theory and antibiotics. This was the crucial turning point. Fossil fuels enabled the green revolution in agriculture (conquering famine) and germ theory and antibiotics conquered temporarily disease. Disease and famine where our two main predators and once we conquered them we started on the road that led to exponential growth.
Before fossil fuels and germ theory we were within carrying capacity.
Ibon wrote:No one is free of narratives that help us cope. All of us have our own unique coping mechanisms.
onlooker wrote:Absolutely guys, but again what stands out is our wanton and predatory harming and destroying of Earth's ecosystems. Fossil fuels are the main catalyst for this. We did it cause we could. This humongous world economy and world population. But as you said Timo most people did not really understand and to this day do not understand the severity of our assault upon the Earth.
dohboi wrote:I'm not wild about reducing the entire non-human world to a set of 'services' for the human world, but it's a good list, anyway.
It prompts the question for me--when exactly should we have stopped?
Invention of fire?
Of language?
Of clothing?
Of burial customs that seem to separate the body from its surroundings?
Of domestication of dogs? Of cattle? Of horses? Of other animals?
Of ag?
Of writing?
Of pottery, that allowed storage of grain?
Of the wheel?
Of metallurgy? Copper, bronze, iron...?
Of the idea of private property?
Of cities?
Of writing?
Of printing?
Of zero?
Of science?
Of industrialism?
Of capitalism?
Of fossil fuel use?
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