dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
vtsnowedin wrote:dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
The population growth will not be eternal.
Way too many syllables, Just say that die-off begins shortly.dashster wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
The population growth will not be eternal.
"eternal heretofore and heretoforeawhile population growth"
Islander wrote:Don't worry, scientists will invent a way to harvest renewable energy from the dreams of hippies.
vtsnowedin wrote:Way too many syllables, Just say that die-off begins shortly.dashster wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
The population growth will not be eternal.
"eternal heretofore and heretoforeawhile population growth"
vtsnowedin wrote:dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
The population growth will not be eternal.
dashster wrote:When you say die-off, are you referring to death by starvation exclusively?
vtsnowedin wrote:dashster wrote:When you say die-off, are you referring to death by starvation exclusively?
No. In natural situations of other species it often involves disease and predation. In humans it often involves disease , starvation, exposure to the eliments and war.
Even enforced birth control by government decree would be included as anything that increases death rates to well above birth rates produces a die-off.
dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
DesuMaiden wrote:dashster wrote:If it weren't bad enough to have Peak Oil looming combined with eternal population growth, coal and natural gas could peak very close to the same time. The Energy Watch Group (which was early on Peak Oil thanks to tar sands/fracking/NGLs) predicts coal will peak in 2025 and natural gas in 2020.
Given that natural gas and coal are both non renewable resources, it is no surprise that they will eventually peak in production too.
“The usual understanding of the term “reserves” as referring to quantities that can be recovered at a sustainable profit cannot technically be extended to EIA’s estimated recoverable reserves because economic and engineering data to project mining and development costs and coal resource market values are not available”.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that there are about 2,214 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of natural gas that is technically recoverable in the United States. At the rate of U.S. natural gas consumption in 2013 of 26 Tcf per year, the United States has enough natural gas to last about 85 years.
Technically recoverable reserves consist of proved reserves and unproved resources. Proved reserves of crude oil and natural gas are the estimated volumes expected to be produced, with reasonable certainty, under existing economic and operating conditions. Unproved resources are additional volumes estimated to be technically recoverable without consideration of economics or operating conditions, based on the application of current technology.
“Most U.S. coal is buried too deeply to be mined at a profit and should not be categorized as reserves, but rather as ‘resources.’”
“The usual understanding of the term “reserves” as referring to quantities that can be recovered at a sustainable profit cannot technically be extended to EIA’s estimated recoverable reserves because economic and engineering data to project mining and development costs and coal resource market values are not available”.
dashster wrote:There is another group that sees Peak Coal in the US in the near future. They argue that:“Most U.S. coal is buried too deeply to be mined at a profit and should not be categorized as reserves, but rather as ‘resources.’”
The amazing thing is that the EIA admits they are calling resources reserves:“The usual understanding of the term “reserves” as referring to quantities that can be recovered at a sustainable profit cannot technically be extended to EIA’s estimated recoverable reserves because economic and engineering data to project mining and development costs and coal resource market values are not available”.
KaiserJeep wrote:I noticed nobody mentioned peak uranium. The USA has large reserves of uranium, enough to power the grid for decades - make that centuries if we utilize nuclear fuel reprocessing and breeder reactors.
By the actual numbers we hit peak uranium in 1980. But those numbers cannot be trusted, because demand for uranium was squelched by anti-nuclear extremists.
I know that I'm never going to convince many of you that nuclear energy is safe, available, and relatively carbon-free, only using some liquid fuels in mining and some electric grid power in ore processing and refining.
But for sake of completeness, those are the facts.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Islander wrote:Don't worry, scientists will invent a way to harvest renewable energy from the dreams of hippies.
PieceOfMine wrote:Islander wrote:Don't worry, scientists will invent a way to harvest renewable energy from the dreams of hippies.
Let's harness the power of stupidity!
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