SeaGypsy wrote:Not a lot. They are digging their own hole. As I keep saying, the extremists are pushing the rest to choose a side. Muslims can join in secular politics, come to the 21st century, quit with pushing their whacko legal system in secular countries; or they can act out & sponsor Salafist evil scumbags.
I've always thought 9/11 should have been the last straw. That the right response, to the actual attack, would have been to pressure Saudi Arabia and the middle east to modernize.
Much of the West is really vulnerable, because it is so permissive and wants to respect different cultures. So you see how it gets worse in some more lefty Western places, like UK, and Denmark where they couldn't even publish a cartoon without death threats and all that.
It's like, the more permissive you are of extremism, the more it grows.
I don't know what the future holds. I really don't think we have poor muslims in general in the US, but their kids will be poor and that population will grow, and they'll radicalize. So what happens to us all, do we all become an Israel with a neverending holy war in our own countries?
I guess we could look to Russia and how they've always handled it. Be tough, no messin' around, period.
I do wish people like you 6, would take the time to investigate what is so very wrong about Sharia being preached or acted out in our countries. Quit defending the indefensible, quit apologising for all the Muslims who don't do this crap, realise there is a very serious problem with the core of Islam. People like Obama are utterly wrong when they say IS does not represent Islam, it is the epitome of the Koran.
As I said, if it had been up to me, then the 9/11 response would have been to pressure the muslim nations to modernize and get away from sharia. Of course, that would just start a worldwide holy war probably 100 times worse than what we deal with now. How do you tell a village in Afghanistan they've got to give up sharia? They wouldn't be too agreeable to that.
As for defending muslims, well SG, any muslims I have actually met in my own little life were all very nice people and none of them would be for any of this loony stuff. So what do you want me to do, I can't be a anti-muslim racist, I'd be thinking of past colleagues and the Lebanese shop owner at the local quickmart (not a friend, he sees me about every day though, he's a good guy), my old professor in college, etc. etc.
I've never actually MET a Muslim that I did not like.
Obama & his apologist ilk are either ignorant of the facts of the Koran or they are outright liars. It is hard to believe the former of Obama, given his upbringing.
SG, I am on your side on this, but the way you drift to bashing the whole koran would just piss muslims off even more, it's not going to help.
I don't know what the answer is, how do we get the problem minority of fundy muslims to secularize and stop going crazy, I don't know the answer.
