Sixstrings wrote:Vegans and vegetarians think we should consume *even more soy* than we currently do -- problem is we're already eating too much soy and it's feminizing men...
babystrangeloop wrote:I tried to go veg and vegan a few times. I always ended up feeling run down and the first meat meal would perk me back up.
I think the issue is that my body goes through calories like crazy and I can't get enough to eat if I don't eat concentrated foods like meat.
If I had a low-energy lifestyle, sitting around meditating I could probably live without meat just fine, but I don't.
BasilBoy wrote:One other point: if we are going to look at our distant ancestors to determine what's best to eat (which I think is a mistake since our food choices are completely different today), we ultimately evolved from herbivores. There is absolutely no reason why we couldn't evolve back into herbivores...
Dr. Berardi’s Vegan Experiment
cbathletics / Turbulence Training / October 11, 2010
Craig: Okay. Last question on that. How did you get up to 5,000 calories? Because it is quite difficult to eat that volume of food because when you eat those foods it suppresses your appetite naturally with all the fiber in it.
John: Absolutely. Coming from sort of a bodybuilding background and having eaten as much as 7,000 or 8,000 calories in the past, 5,000 calories isn’t that big of a deal for me. So, it wasn’t actually that difficult really.
For the first little bit of my plan, it felt great because I was just eating 5,000 calories, and I felt full and I felt like I was eating a lot of great food. By the end though, with all the bloating and stuff it definitely became a problem and it was definitely something I wouldn’t have stuck with. I would have made some serious changes the next time through.
I just ate about six times a day. I had what three meals and three snacks, and three of my snacks were really nutrient dense. I would [make a] mixture of things like oats, ground up flax seeds, oat bran, wheat bran, and stuff like that [in] a bowl, and I would put some dried fruits, maybe some mixed nuts, some vegan protein powder and add almond milk or something like that and just mix it all together in this big calorie dense gruel.
So, each one of those meals of nuts, grains and dried fruits was about 1,000 calories, so those was 3,000 calories right there from just my snacks. Then the other three meals were something like 700 calories each. So it was pretty easy to get 5,000.
AgentR11 wrote:I don't really mean any offense by this, but Veganism is designed for office dwelling hominids who's typical trip to the gym involves walking around, talking, and getting their heart rate to 65% for 3 minutes, followed by a shower and three hours of TV. This is ok, and maybe that's where we'll evolve to, given enough singularity derived energy; but its not what we are now.
BasilBoy wrote:Mac Danzig is a professional MMA fighter who is a vegan. There are plenty of athletes who are vegans and it really doesn't take much effort to find them. You are simply wrong...
AgentR11 wrote:BasilBoy wrote:Mac Danzig is a professional MMA fighter who is a vegan. There are plenty of athletes who are vegans and it really doesn't take much effort to find them. You are simply wrong...
In my post I already mentioned that exceptional individuals can (and do) make it work.
Are you unwilling to show a 3500 cal/day vegan diet that a normal person could tolerate continuously? I am no where near as spectacular as the individual you list; I have no where near his level of motivation, training, nor time for training. A normal, non-athlete, burning 3500 Cal/Day is not exceptional; you shouldn't require exceptional motivation to sustain a non exceptional level of activity.
Personally, I can do the nut thing for about 6 weeks. Then I'm done. Past that point, I'd rather starve and not move.
BasilBoy wrote:Once again, I am not telling or advocating anything. I am merely giving you information. You don't have to use it or accept it. You're not interested in trying to prevent degenerative disease. I just wish the rest of us didn't have to pick up the tab. In case you haven't noticed, America has the highest per capita health care costs. I wonder if diet has anything to do with it? Nah...
AgentR11 wrote:Have you ever tried to eat 3500 cal of pasta????????
Thats over 2 KG of food.
Shaved Monkey wrote:yer but how does it relate to PO
unless you make your own soy milk, tofu and tamari
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Bread and beef dripping will become gold ,just like it did during the war.
BasilBoy wrote:Do I really need to include here?
Sixstrings wrote:Exactly.. if you look at vegan cookbooks, the ingredients are hard to find, expensive, imported, complicated.
I doubt there will be soy milk and lentil burgers in the post-peak collapse.
AgentR11 wrote:BasilBoy wrote:Do I really need to include here?
I've given them here. The point isn't their existence; the point is that attempting such a diet restriction in concert with a high daily caloric requirement is very difficult to achieve and practice on an ongoing basis.
Given that you were able to eat a pound of dry pasta in a sitting, obviously you can handle the volume required. Great. Now try acknowledging that not all can accomplish such feats. 90g (~3oz) is about the limit of the amount of dry pasta I could manage, if I were REALLY REALLY hungry.
I really don't see what is so controversial or contentious about accepting that vegans generally eat between 1500 & 2500 cal / day; and that at those intake levels, the food volume is reasonably comfortable and typical for what average people like to eat, with a good deal of variety available.
AgentR11 wrote:BasilBoy wrote:Mac Danzig is a professional MMA fighter who is a vegan. There are plenty of athletes who are vegans and it really doesn't take much effort to find them. You are simply wrong...
In my post I already mentioned that exceptional individuals can (and do) make it work.
Are you unwilling to show a 3500 cal/day vegan diet that a normal person could tolerate continuously? I am no where near as spectacular as the individual you list; I have no where near his level of motivation, training, nor time for training. A normal, non-athlete, burning 3500 Cal/Day is not exceptional; you shouldn't require exceptional motivation to sustain a non exceptional level of activity.
Personally, I can do the nut thing for about 6 weeks. Then I'm done. Past that point, I'd rather starve and not move.
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