Expatriot wrote:It's really right out of the Atlas Shrugged playbook. The belief that you can just legislate jobs.
AgentR11 wrote:Newfie wrote:Sure, some get it right, others (self included) ?????
Should get it right, or figure out how to get it right. Doing the same dumb thing because you can't think of something better, remains dumb.
If one is unsatisfied doing X.
STOP DOING X.
Newfie wrote:Let me ask you this, by your estimation how many, or what percentage of American's share your belief?
AgentR11 wrote:Newfie wrote:Let me ask you this, by your estimation how many, or what percentage of American's share your belief?
5%
Just a hunch though.
............... but sheesh, the only time your body's any good for anything is between 20-60, if you're lucky, so make it count!
Newfie wrote:AgentR11 wrote:Newfie wrote:Let me ask you this, by your estimation how many, or what percentage of American's share your belief?
5%
Just a hunch though.
............... but sheesh, the only time your body's any good for anything is between 20-60, if you're lucky, so make it count!
Yeah, OK, we are together on this. Just checking.
Thanks.
pstarr wrote:you only need to understand evolution and a well-established phenomena of altruism acting through group-selection.
Group selection was used as a popular explanation for adaptations, especially by V. C. Wynne-Edwards.[1][2] For several decades, however, critiques, particularly by George C. Williams,[3] John Maynard Smith[4] and C.M. Perrins (1964), cast serious doubt on group selection as a major mechanism of evolution, and though some scientists have pursued the idea over the last few decades, only recently have group selection models seen a minor resurgence.[5][6]
But there might still be another possibility -- something we couldn't really imagine for ourselves until the digital era. As a pioneer of virtual reality, Jaron Lanier, recently pointed out, we no longer need to make stuff in order to make money. We can instead exchange information-based products.
We start by accepting that food and shelter are basic human rights. The work we do -- the value we create -- is for the rest of what we want: the stuff that makes life fun, meaningful, and purposeful.
Loki wrote:Re. the "Jobs are Obsolete" piece:
It's a moot point anyway, the underlying premise of the piece is techno-utopian. We don't have a techno-utopia in our immediate future.
turner wrote:Slice and dice the jobs however you want but the simple fact is that production has been exported and there is no way in the long term any economy can keep consuming stuff that is made by another economy, unless your economy is providing something unique in abundance (eg oil) in exchange. It's simply not logical. Penalise the multinationals that offshore their production and introduce tariffs, or come up with something the rest of the world doesn't have that can keep millions employed.
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