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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 14:50:26

:lol: Yeah right. That's less than Cantarell declined Jan-Mar. Oh, you Pemex yucksters!

Speaking of which here's an anecdote posted at TOD on June 3:

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Some years ago I worked for about a year as a subcontractor for Pemex, so I think I have pertinent experience for commenting on Are monopolies holding Mexico back?.

I found working in a Pemex office a rather surreal experience. There are a lot of smart, competent people there. But there are also a lot of people who are totally incompetent, like the draftsman who happily admitted he knew nothing at all about drafting: he got his job simply because a relative was a union official.

Even the competent people tended to be very unproductive. Some of them were unproductive because they knew they had a secure job (because of their political or family connections) but most of them because to show initiative was to risk failure, and to risk failure was to risk losing your job. And if you are a Mexican professional in a petroleum discipline (such as petroleum engineering or the geosciences) the only potential employer is Pemex. Lose your job there, and you will have to change careers or emigrate.

Pemex is also chronically short of money, which means all kinds of shortcuts are taken, sometimes leading to accidents, but usually leading to waste of what money they do have: well bores lost due to poor quality casing or shortcuts in the mud program, dry holes due to inadequate seismic data, and projects cancelled before completion because there is no money.

In general, the overall atmosphere gives the impression that who you know is far more important than what you know. This is not necessarily part of being a monopoly, but the lack of competition certainly makes it easier for such an atmosphere to flourish.


Latin Business Chronicle: Pemex: No Speedy Recovery

Can Pemex reverse declining oil production by 2010? Four experts share their predictions.


David Shields, independent energy consultant based in Mexico City: Mexico's energy reform is a complex, well-intentioned piece of legislation, which tends to push Pemex in the direction mentioned by Paredes. It sets out a framework for restructuring the oil industry, for applying more flexible contracting procedures and for promoting a transition towards clean and renewable energy. The problem is that nobody is really committed to this reform. There is no enthusiasm, interest or urgency about putting it into practice. It is being implemented poorly and slowly, so the opportunities it offers are in danger of being lost. Yet, politicians and society at large do not seem to care less. President Felipe Calderon got most of what he proposed in the reform, but has repeatedly said that he does not like it, because Congress did not allow him to open up refining and fuel distribution to private investment. Owing to the rapid decline in output at Cantarell and to political and ideological excesses and corruption over the years, disenchantment with Pemex is overwhelming. As oil revenues fall, there is a lack of conviction that Pemex will be the solution to Mexico's problems, just [as] the global financial crisis whips the country. Profound ideological prejudice prevents meaningful debate on further reform that could engage direct foreign investment. So, despite upbeat official forecasts, signs are that declining oil production will not be reversed (though it may fall more slowly) and that no more reform will be forthcoming during the Calderon government. Beyond 2012, the outlook for output, investment and reform is unclear.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 15:21:58

I figured someone would laugh at that. :wink:

But there's far more than just Chicontepec going on here. A flurry of Pemex news out the past few days.

>>> Reuters <<<
Pemex says output from Ixtal oil field to rise
Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:36am

VERACRUZ, Mexico, June 11 (Reuters) - Mexico's Pemex said on Thursday output from the Ixtal oil field off the shore of the Yucatan Peninsula is set to rise approximately 60,000 bpd to peak at 180,000 bpd in 2010.

The field currently produces 110,000 bpd, said Pemex engineer Juan Carlos Rangel in a presentation at an oil industry conference.

>>> WSJ <<<
JUNE 11, 2009, 5:25 P.M. ET
Mexico's Ku Maloob Zaap Field To Stay At 830,000 B/D For 7 Yrs-Pemex

VERACRUZ, Mexico (Dow Jones)--Mexico's top oil field will maintain peak oil production longer than expected, giving beleaguered state oil company Petroleos Mexicanos some breathing space to find and develop new fields.

Pemex project engineer Hector Salgado said at an oil conference Thursday that Ku Maloob Zaap will maintain production of roughly 830,000 barrels a day for the next seven years.

Ku Mallob Zaap surpassed Cantarell as the country's largest producer earlier this year, but Pemex was expecting it to begin declining as early as next year and fall to 600,000 barrels a day by 2016.

Pemex has seen output drop by a fifth since 2004, reducing crude exports to the U.S. The drop is mainly due to a collapse in production at Cantarell.

And in general . . .
>>> WSJ <<<
JUNE 11, 2009, 7:25 P.M. ET
Mexico State Oil Co Optimistic On Two Largest Fields

VERACRUZ, Mexico (Dow Jones)--Mexico's state oil company has a sunnier outlook for its two largest fields, thanks to remediation programs to squeeze as much oil as possible from the crude-laden waters of the Campeche Sound, Petroleos Mexicanos executives said at an oil conference Thursday.

At Cantarell, one of the largest oil fields ever found, output has slipped to around a third of peak levels, but Pemex executives see the rate of decline starting to stabilize. At Ku Maloob Zaap, which recently surpassed the aging Cantarell as Mexico's biggest producer, Pemex executives have a much more robust production outlook than what the company was expecting as recently as early this year.

Together the fields produce over half of Mexico's 2.7 million barrels a day in output, putting pressure on Pemex to improve project management in both areas. The fall in Cantarell was cited by industry experts as a factor that contributed to the oil-price rally in 2008, and if it continues declining at current rates, it will reduce Mexico's exports to the U.S.

At Cantarell, Pemex is starting to correct past negligence. Pemex production manager Miguel Angel Lozano said the company is reopening wells that produce significant volumes of water that were shut in recent years. Oil companies have separated water from oil for a century, but Pemex was blindsided by the problem a few years back.

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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 15:25:25

Robin Mills says that Cantarell's decline could be greatly reduced or even reversed if they installed simple water injection. Think about that for a minute. Might be costly but it's a technology that's almost a century old, and could do wonders for this cash cow that fills up most of the barn - yet they don't bother.

Mills is about as cornucopian as they come, too, and has been in the industry for decades.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 15:32:47

Here is a reprint on rigzone of the entire last WSJ article I posted.

>>> Cantarell and Water <<<
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 12 Jun 2009, 16:05:56

That's separation, not injection; we'll see how much it helps things. Curious that they went with the N2 EOR instead of water injectors, but cost suggests itself immediately - installing a series of water injector wells around the periphery of the field would be more expensive than inject N2 straight in through existing producers and let it associate. Perhaps you have some Pemex docs that cover this.

Of course building the biggest N2 production plant on the planet couldn't have been cheap, either.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 15 Jun 2009, 20:40:43

N2 appears to have caused some other problems:


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Burning money: Hydrocarbons Commission head knocks gas flaring.

Regulator slams Cantarell flaring

By Gareth Chetwynd
Monday, 15 June, 2009, 16:41 GMT

The head of Mexico’s new hydrocarbons agency has shown his organisation has teeth by slamming Pemex’s failure to exploit gas from the giant Cantarell field.


National Hydrocarbons Commission (CNH) boss, Juan Carlos Zepeda, claimed Pemex has been flaring up to 70% of the gas from Cantarell, a field which still accounts for almost a third of Mexico’s crude output.

Zepeda blamed poor planning for a situation that resulted in massive gas flaring some ten years after Pemex began injecting nitrogen to revitilise the Cantarell field.

The enhanced recovery project doubled Cantarell output to more than 2 million barrels per day by a mid-decade peak, although output is now at just 750,000 bpd, and declining rapidly.

Despite these huge investments, Pemex has moved slowly in installing nitrogen extraction capacity, and has been forced to flare gas due to the growing presence of that element.


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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby bratticus » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 07:37:46

Mexico racing against time at Cantarell oil field

By Robert Campbell
Reuters
June 16, 2009

... skip ...

Pemex engineers said at a conference last week that the oil layer of the Akal field is shrinking by at least 4 meters (13 feet) a month as gas moves downward and water moves upward in the rock formation.

Contraction of the oil layer means many of the traditional vertical wells Pemex has used to drain Cantarell since the late 1970s are getting flooded by gas or water, which forces their closure.

To prolong the field's life, Pemex is drilling horizontal wells costing more than $20 million each. These extend hundreds of meters (feet) along the middle of the shrinking oil layer.

"Planning and execution for these horizontal wells is becoming increasingly important due to the contraction of the oil layer," said Pemex engineer Jose Lopez during a presentation on the new wells at an oil conference last week.

... skip ...

Pemex's official forecasts call for output from Cantarell to decline by 16 percent a year. Even so, the field still contains billions of barrels of recoverable oil.

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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby newman1979 » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 21:32:02

A key element in the Cantarell field is the depth of the oil column that is now contracting more than 13 feet a month or more than 156 feet a year according to the article above. As I recall, someone estimated that the field was around 800 feet three years ago. Does anyone have any new information on the present depth of the oil column?
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 22:10:09

newman1979 wrote:A key element in the Cantarell field is the depth of the oil column that is now contracting more than 13 feet a month or more than 156 feet a year according to the article above. As I recall, someone estimated that the field was around 800 feet three years ago. Does anyone have any new information on the present depth of the oil column?


westexas wrote:The WSJ article on Cantarell last year noted, based on a leaked internal report, that the remaining oil column of about 800' was thinning at a rate of about 300' per year. Out of five scenarios, the worst case decline rate was a 40% decline rate per year. And, Pemex is canceling and/or reducing crude oil deliveries to various Gulf Coast refineries.


Permalink, Feb 27, 2007. The new figure from Pemex would equate to 156 feet/year, suggesting the problem has been mitigated/the original figure was flawed/the new figure is a reassuring fabrication. The WSJ article was published 2/6/06, I believe. Using their 13 ft figure over that span of time would equate to 520 feet of loss, so even at this conservative estimate they've only got about 280 feet of play left.

A reservoir engineer like fractional_flow at TOD could fill you in on all the ins and outs of this phenomenon. The TOD article I linked to above also has a graph from Wood Mac that suggests by this stage they should still be >1 mb/d, showing that this decline has exceeded expectations even from sources with ostensibly solid data.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 18 Jun 2009, 22:24:15

newman1979 wrote:A key element in the Cantarell field is the depth of the oil column that is now contracting more than 13 feet a month or more than 156 feet a year according to the article above. As I recall, someone estimated that the field was around 800 feet three years ago. Does anyone have any new information on the present depth of the oil column?


I couldn't find any new information on the column but various reports indicate the content of water is up to 10% to 20%.

Xinhua News Agency
June 11, 2009

Mexican energy giant launches gas contract bidding

MEXICO CITY, Jun 10, 2009 (Xinhua via COMTEX News Network) -- Petroleos Mexicanos (Pemex), the only energy company legally allowed to produce oil and gas in Mexico, on Wednesday launched a bidding for the repair of equipment that pumps natural gas to repressurize its second largest field Cantarell.

Bidders in the licensing round must present their proposals before July 20 for work that is due to begin on Sept. 1.

Cantarell's oil production declined at a rate of around 35 percent last year. It now produces 769,000 barrels a day, down from the peak of over 2 million barrels a day at the start of the decade.

"Because of the action being undertaken to sustain crude oil production in the Cantarell field, the demand for natural gas for pumping into wells has increased considerably," said Pemex in a statement.

The work in September will take place at the Akal Gas Processing Center offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. The equipment, which is already in place, removes water and sulfur compounds from the gas that comes out of the field, burns the sulfur compounds and pumps it back into existing productive wells.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby newman1979 » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 16:20:38

Secretaría de EnergíaPetróleos Mexicanos

This Site All PEMEX Home
Frequently Asked Questions
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PEMEX.com
Operating Information
Petroleum Statistics
Pemex released its May data today. Crude oil production was down 184,000 b/d from May 08 to 2,609 m/b/d.. Exports of crude oil were down 203,000 b/d to 1,173 m/bd. Exports of crude oil to the USA were down 120,000 b/d from May 08 to1,087 m/b/d.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby newman1979 » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 19:56:11

maltose on June 19, 2009 - 4:29pm
PEMEX has released Cantarell's output for May 2009. I have compiled the last 17 months. Decline,decline,decline...
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200 ... 12840.html

1243000 1.2008
1192000 2.2008
1110000 3.2008
1074000 4.2008
1038000 5.2008
1017000 6.2008
1010000 7.2008
988100 8.2008
940020 9.2008
901796 10.2008
862060 11.2008
811000 12.2008
772000 1.2009
744778 2.2009
754063 3.2009
713036 4.2009
692925 5.2009
on TOD
Cantarell has fallen from 1038 m/b/d in May 08 to 692,925 b/d in May 09. 345,000 b/d less on a yoy basis or 32.5% less output in a year. Pemex must know exactly how much of the oil column is left. Certainly as the wells are plugged, Pemex knows at what level the oil is at the top and the bottom of the column. Transparency is lacking in Pemex's disclosures. It is vital that the government disclose to the public of both the US and Mexico the facts that can be readily determined and understood by the public of how long oil can reasonably be expected to be extracted from Cantarell given the decline of more than 156 feet a year in the oil column.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 19 Jun 2009, 20:52:19

Mexico will require imports for 50% of its oil products by 2010:

EIU ViewsWire
Economist Intelligence Unit
June 18, 2009

Mexico industry: Energy woes mount


Following a four-year downward trend, Mexican crude oil output fell by 8% year on year in the first quarter of 2009. At current rates of extraction, proven reserves will last only nine years. The debt-laden state oil company, Petróleos Mexicanos (Pemex), lacks the funds and technological expertise to undertake necessary explo-ration and development to replace reserves without the collaboration of external operators and investors. Yet exploitation of Mexico's natural resources remains a historically sensitive and politically charged issue; since the nationalisation of the oil industry in 1938, Mexicans have fervently guarded against attempts to open up the sector.

The case for far-reaching energy reforms has increased in recent years, not least because of the country's persistent dependence on fiscal revenue from Pemex. Since the 1979 discovery of the Cantarell mega oil field, Pemex has served as the main source of funds to finance public spending, providing between 30% and 40% of total fiscal revenue. The drain on Pemex has limited both upstream and downstream invest-ment. Despite ranking as the world's seventh-largest oil producer, Mexico imports around 40% of its petrol because of insufficient refinery capacity. Although plans announced in early 2009 to construct a new refinery in Tula (Hidalgo state) should assuage the shortfall in the medium term, Pemex estimates that imports might in-crease to 50% of total petrol consumption in 2010.

Similarly, while a decade ago the country held among the highest proven oil re-serves, a lack of investment has hampered development of proven oil fields and pre-vented exploration of new sources believed to lie principally in the Gulf of Mex-ico. Rather than replacing reserves with new discoveries, Pemex has focused on op-timising extraction from Cantarell, with low costs and minimal risk. The result has been a sustained fall in overall output.


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The answer to falling Cantarell production - drill, drill, drill, and drill some more:

World News Connection
June 19, 2009

Mexican Petroleum Fails To Meet Production Goals
Report by Alma Hernandez, Claudia Guerrero: Pemex Fails To Meet Goals

18 Jun 2009--Mexican Petroleum (Pemex) is not meeting thecrude oil production tar-gets that it set for itself in 2009, according to thefirst report for the year that it has submitted to the Congress of the Unionunder Article 71 of the Pemex Law, which requires it to account for itsperformance every quarter.

Oil production during the first three months of the yearstood at 2.67 million bar-rels a day, 4.5% below the oil company's goal.

Moreover, output at Cantarell is plummeting, as it wound up16.2% below the target set by Pemex Exploration and Production (PEP) for thequarter.

Oil extraction at Cantarell totaled 787,000 barrels a dayduring this period, far below the 939,600 barrels that were budgeted.

In the status report on the Program to Enhance OperationalEfficiency (PEO), Pemex explains that it was unable to hit its targets becausewells with a high ratio of oil to gas at Cantarell were shut down, because of"work stoppages" at the May-A platform, and because of delays in thebuilding of production infrastructure at Chi-contepec.

It adds that the corrective actions that are being taken toboost oil production in-clude the continuation of projects at Cantarell and KuMaloob Zaap and stepped up activity at the Gulf Tertiary Oil project(Chicontepec).

PEP reported that in an effort to reverse the decline inproduction it expects to double output at Chicontepec towards the end of theyear to 60,000 barrels a day un-der the program to drill 1,200 wells in 2009.



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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby BrazilianPO » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 21:18:59

Last numbers for PEMEX not looking good. All liquids production has fallen below 3Mbpd for the first time (2,991), and crude oil is going down really fast as well.

Link: http://www.ri.pemex.com/files/dcpe/petro/eprohidro_ing.pdf

Exports are also going down, as expected: 1,173mbpd.

Link: http://www.ri.pemex.com/files/dcpe/petro/evolexporta_ing.pdf

It is quite steep decline, really. :shock:
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 06:14:55

http://in.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/id ... 24?sp=true


A further drop of 400,000 bbls/d and Mexico enters import land. It should occur some time next year. That means no more net oil revenue.

That, in turn, means no more functioning Mexican government. And that means chaos. I mean real chaos.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 07:00:24

I think legalizing drugs in the U.S. would help stabilize Mexico.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby Roy » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 09:38:39

I think legalizing drugs in the U.S. would help stabilize Mexico.


You may be right.

But, drugs (currently illegal) will NEVER be legalized in this country as long as the current power structure is in place. NEVER. Now if you want to go and kill yourself with some booze and cigarettes, then that's ok. Because those drugs are safe. :lol:

If/when the power structure in DC collapses, then maybe. But the K street institution is too strong, as is pressure on congresscritters to raise large amounts of money for re-election campaigns.

Special interests control this country. Meaning those who can write the largest checks to the right people.

The rest of us don't mean shit to them other than as a source of revenue.
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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

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Re: Mexico: Pemex and Cantarell News And Discussion Thread

Unread postby newman1979 » Tue 28 Jul 2009, 13:18:36

With the June numbers, we have 18 months of Cantarell production. June production was 658,700 b/d. Cantarell is falling around 35% yoy, and over the last 18 months, around 30,000 b/d a month. At this rate, Mexico will be a net importer of oil products within one year on a value basis. The US will lose what was its number two supplier 4 years ago and become a net exporter to Mexico even though the US imports almost 2/3 of its oil. Pemex projections do not inspire any confidence and based on their own production records, raises many eyebrows.
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