pstarr wrote:C8 wrote:we need a film on the effects of a massive oil glut- that can cause as many problems as a shortage can. Its too bad film makers are so stuck on only a few select viewpoints on most issues.
On the contrary, the glut meme is held world wide by nearly everyone. Revi's film is one of a very few that doesn't promote abiotic oil and a unicorn view of the world.
pstarr wrote:C8 wrote:we need a film on the effects of a massive oil glut- that can cause as many problems as a shortage can. Its too bad film makers are so stuck on only a few select viewpoints on most issues.
On the contrary, the glut meme is held world wide by nearly everyone. Revi's film is one of a very few that doesn't promote abiotic oil and a unicorn view of the world.
ennui2 wrote:pstarr wrote:C8 wrote:we need a film on the effects of a massive oil glut- that can cause as many problems as a shortage can. Its too bad film makers are so stuck on only a few select viewpoints on most issues.
On the contrary, the glut meme is held world wide by nearly everyone. Revi's film is one of a very few that doesn't promote abiotic oil and a unicorn view of the world.
The glut doesn't by itself disprove peak oil, or even peak oil doom. It merely invalidates the constant churn of short-term doomsday predictions of peakers who have been "calling" doom for the last 10 years or so.
C8 wrote:we need a film on the effects of a massive oil glut- that can cause as many problems as a shortage can. Its too bad film makers are so stuck on only a few select viewpoints on most issues.
Revi wrote:This film is not going to be about predictions. It's about a guy who is obsessed with the idea of Peak Oil and how he relates to it.
Revi wrote:I think we are a little past peak oil, but it's hard to tell.
revi wrote:People are acting like the happy days are here again now.
C8 wrote:I think folks misunderstood what I wrote, a glut can be very disruptive. it can lead to the fall of oil exporting nations, civil war, the slowing of renewables, massive population spikes, urbanization, CO2 spikes, etc.
C8 wrote:A glut can be very disruptive and set us up for a major conflict. We need films on this also- not just always the fears of those who worry about too little energy. What is the downside of too much energy?
AdamB wrote:C8 wrote:I think folks misunderstood what I wrote, a glut can be very disruptive. it can lead to the fall of oil exporting nations, civil war, the slowing of renewables, massive population spikes, urbanization, CO2 spikes, etc.
Just like the glut in 1986? Well, the good thing about gluts is that all those things you mentioned, didn't bother much of the developed world. Heck, the US stock market had a wonderful time with that glut, which lasted from about 1986 right up to the burst of the dot com bubble.
So we'll take a glut if we can have that market runup all over again.C8 wrote:A glut can be very disruptive and set us up for a major conflict. We need films on this also- not just always the fears of those who worry about too little energy. What is the downside of too much energy?
The conflicts back in 1986 were pretty bad. Took 5 years for that glut to dissolve the USSR, free hundreds of millions of oppressed people under that thumb, stop the Cold War, and created the horrors of "drive till you qualify", low interest rates, the creation of the world's first hyperpower....justs imagine if this glut does more like this...breaks up the EU, releases the US to leap from hyperpower to...what is above hyperpower? GINORMOUS power?
C8 wrote:No two gluts produce the exact same outcomes- remember- WW1 and 2 were both preceded by vastly expanded amounts of oil. Oil is like food, hungry people sulk, but once people get filled up they want to fight.
How does the collapse of S. Arabia, Iran, Nigeria affect the world? What about a Canadian housing crash? A Russian invasion? Massive migration and border war caused by cheap transport? Gluts can be very turbulent. Too many people are stuck on "give me that old time PO religion". The world is constantly changing- why be stuck in 2005 and Kunstlerville?
ennui2 wrote:The glut doesn't by itself disprove peak oil, or even peak oil doom. It merely invalidates the constant churn of short-term doomsday predictions of peakers who have been "calling" doom for the last 10 years or so.
Revi wrote: Remember that at the top of any resource there are huge swings in price and quantity. We are in one of those swings now.
Revi wrote: Remember oil at $142 a barrel? It wasn't too long ago. There won't be much produced at $27 a barrel, and that might set us up for another run-up. Or it might not. We'll see... Anyway thanks to all who have helped with our film project!
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