Pops wrote:Perhaps Biden will come to the rescue and go all in on combating climate change, I'm sure the grandkids will be happy if he's successful. I kinda doubt it though. Third way Ds are all about pandering to their various, thinly sliced, victim mailing lists with heartfelt platitudes while on the down low keeping the corporate money flowing.
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Ibon wrote:This is a real issue and at the moment they have a nice shield to hide behind; Trump the autocrat and the republican nationalists. As long as the R Party is undermining democracy and flirting with an autocracy and stoking nationalism the D's will never be confronted to reform.
Ibon wrote:Pops wrote:Perhaps Biden will come to the rescue and go all in on combating climate change, I'm sure the grandkids will be happy if he's successful. I kinda doubt it though. Third way Ds are all about pandering to their various, thinly sliced, victim mailing lists with heartfelt platitudes while on the down low keeping the corporate money flowing.
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This is a real issue and at the moment they have a nice shield to hide behind; Trump the autocrat and the republican nationalists. As long as the R Party is undermining democracy and flirting with an autocracy and stoking nationalism the D's will never be confronted to reform. Which actually exasperates the deadlock because there is a fair number of current Trump supporters who were formerly blue collar democrats and their migration over to autocracy has everything to do with what you pointed out above.
Ibon wrote:" Sorry your boy lost"
REAL Green wrote:Ibon wrote:" Sorry your boy lost"
There is no honor in cheating
Ibon wrote:Show us the evidence or take it the courts..
Pops wrote:If you want to say you believe in qanon thats fine but lets stay connected somewhat to the OP topic
Pops wrote:I'm thinking people will do nothing at first, just absorb the spike. If 2021 looks like EIA/IEA forecast oil might get to $$80. People won't notice much.
After the second and third year, if fracking hasn't rebounded and OPEC and Iran haven't come back, oil in storage will have fallen below 5 or 10 year averages and the price might get to $100-125—that is if the economy is otherwise recovering. We were there in -08-'14 and I think most folks will still be thinking this is a result of the pandemic and fracking will catch up soon. But they'll try to conserve some, drive a little less, parking the coal roller and taking the Vega sometimes. They'll adjust the budget, starti to combine trips, buy more online and gripe about the fuel surcharges. Just like 2008-14 basically.
Demand has been climbing an average of 1%/yr since forever, so just average growth expects 5% more supply by 2025. If no relief—remember, the period from 2017-2025 could have seen at least 25% of production continuing to decline a couple percent per year, and of course the world will be continuing to deplete at 80-100 MB per day. So it wouldn't be surprising to see prices climbing above $120 to...whatever the limit is at the time.
Hard to guess beyond that, but even holding supply steady should see the price rise.
Pops wrote:I hadn't seen this, it's from an Exxon talk last year:
Source: Exxon US Sellside Conference Presentation June 18, 2019,
http://www.safgroup.ca/research/article ... il-prices/
The short caption is: Exxon says depletion is currently 7%PA
That's a lot more than I remember. 7MB/d, basically the entire increase from the fracking miracle since 2010, needs to be replaced with new production from somewhere... every year. Plus another 1%+/- for growth
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Pops wrote:My current outlook isn't as hair on fire as it once was for that very reason.
REAL Green wrote:If oil production costs are too high supply will not be there.
Renewables will be an offsetting force to a point. Their ROI is not good enough at the higher levels of penetration.
Still this for the most part is manageable for a long time but what is not manageable indefinitely is the convergence of all the systematic problems civilization faces. This convergence has thresholds that are nearby. Who knows how this will unfold except it will be a negative result. Maybe technology combined with good governance will make breakthroughs but I doubt it.
REAL Green wrote: If oil production costs are too high supply will not be there.
Pops wrote:REAL Green wrote:If oil production costs are too high supply will not be there.
True, at some random low crude oil price. But don't forget that price is dependant on the balance of supply and demand, if supply is too low, demand will bid the price up and voila, higher price and higher production. To a point.
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