The global memory chip industry is facing the most difficult time ever and could experience a slump for two more years if consolidation is delayed, the head of South Korea's Hynix Semiconductor said Wednesday.
The global memory chip industry is facing the most difficult time ever and could experience a slump for two more years if consolidation is delayed, the head of South Korea's Hynix Semiconductor said Wednesday.
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Minvaren wrote:Moore's law is about the number of transistors on a given die doubling every 18 months, IIRC. In 3-4 generations of chips we hit the limit on miniaturization and electrons start jumping paths if we go any smaller. After that... well, we've nearly maxed clock speed, we're multiplying cores as fast as people will buy them, even though noone's writing multi-core programs yet. For most people, everything except data storage has hit "good enough."
Yeesh, for an extra $50-100 someone could get a whole laptop. Not that I don't think low power computing is great, just that that little box is incredibly overpriced.lowem wrote:Here's my Asus Eee Box B202, mounted behind my LCD monitor :
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yesplease wrote:Yeesh, for an extra $50-100 someone could get a whole laptop. Not that I don't think low power computing is great, just that that little box is incredibly overpriced.lowem wrote:Here's my Asus Eee Box B202, mounted behind my LCD monitor :
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yesplease wrote:Even then, someone could throw something together that's roughly as efficient for hundreds less. For instance a 64 bit AMD or Intel system could be thrown together for ~$150 that only uses ~20-30W. Granted, I ain't saying that paying for the fit and finish is bad, just that it can easily done for way less cash.
Shoot, 20-30W is cake. I have a C7-D system that uses ~34+W w/ a 500gb HD, an 80 PLUS power supply, and an extra sound card. If I pull the extra sound card it only uses ~28-29+W and I imagine using a PicoPSU (probably what's in the Asus you have) instead of the current power supply would cut off another ~5-10W, and I suppose I could go balls out and use a notebook hard drive to get it around 20W if I really wanted to. I've also tried shoving all that stuff plus an AGP video card (~7-9W) and a TV card (~2W most of the time) into my S764 64 bit AMD system from 2004(?), then undervolting/underclocking it as much as I could and it used ~45W, so w/ just onboard video/sound, something newer (64nm) I could undervolt/underclock more, a PicoPSU, and no TV card I'm sure I could get it around 20W. Here's someone who already has a Phenom running at ~20W. What's great is that the faster processors running at slower speeds can use the same amount of power (give or take a few watts) as the stuff like the C7/Atom/Geode, and at the same time spank them in benchmarks. And, if ya really need it, then just setup the governor options how ya like for more processing power during whatever task.lowem wrote:While I kinda doubt your 20-30W claim for a full-sized desktop PC system
I can't fault you for convenience, but low power computing is definitely cheap and can pack all the punch of a typical rig.lowem wrote:it is true that I could have trawled the local eBay for a replacement Socket 939 motherboard, the local stores for a replacement desktop casing, and spent a day or two tinkering, I just didn't have the time to mess around with the system.
So that's what, ~$290USD? A 500gb HD is $50, 2GB of ram for ~$20-30, a PicoPSU/brick for ~$50-60, a case for $20, and a LE1150 combo for another ~$60, so that's ~$200+ for something that'll use the same amount of power and spank an Atom/C7/Geode. More ram, disk space, and speed, probably when it's at it's lower power state too, for the same price, or less if you're thrifty and wait for sales. If you have any used parts around that'd only reduce the cost.lowem wrote:Not sure what currency you're talking about (USD I'd guess?), but in my SGD terms and context, this box cost me S$439.
You may be able to undervolt it quite a bit in order to avoid upgrading. Why not try that, then yank the PicoPSU out of your other computer and drop it in the C2D (provided it's rated high enough) in order to see what the consumption is? The power supply is crucial since even an 80 PLUS version can be at ~50% efficiency at really low loads, ~20-30W.lowem wrote:If I wanted to overhaul my old rusting PC to a C2D configuration, the CPU, motherboard and RAM combination would have cost me way over S$439. Then there's the casing and DVD drive. Typical C2D desktops are going for S$800-1000 over here, and they come with at least 400-500W power supplies.
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The Worldwide LHC Computing Grid relies on dedicated optical fibre networks to distribute data from CERN2 to eleven major computer centres in Europe, North America and Asia. From these, data is dispatched to more than 140 centres around the world. Together, these distributed computers provide the power to manage the LHC’s data.
“We can routinely process 250,000 jobs a day,” said Bird, “and we can achieve peaks of 500,000 jobs without problems.” A single job can be a calculation lasting several hours or even several days on a single high performance processor. An estimated 100,000 processors are needed to handle all jobs from the LHC experiments.
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