CarlosFerreira wrote:...
Let's work our way around the CO2 emissions first, shall we? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
What exactly are you proposing?
CarlosFerreira wrote:...
Let's work our way around the CO2 emissions first, shall we? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
cube wrote:CarlosFerreira wrote:...
Let's work our way around the CO2 emissions first, shall we? Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
What exactly are you proposing?
frankthetank wrote:Maybe we should just tax all for more so we eat less! Or tax people who have children...but that is for another thread
frankthetank wrote:I do think meat should be taxed... Not so sure about dairy and eggs. Not for reason of "Global Warming", but just because its destroying our world. My guess is dairy is more "efficient" then just raising a cow for meat, although i could be off.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Uhm, are you aware that a large perecentage of the beef eaten in the USA is retired dairy cows? Nope, I am not kidding, because Americans use so many dairy products we grow a lot of dairy cows, and because of the factory farm system once they start declining in their production its off to the slaughter house they go as they are replaced by Heifers coming into milk for the first time.frankthetank wrote:I do think meat should be taxed... Not so sure about dairy and eggs. Not for reason of "Global Warming", but just because its destroying our world. My guess is dairy is more "efficient" then just raising a cow for meat...although i could be off.
Not to mention that fact that dairy cattle produce at a 50/50 gender ratio like most mamals so a lot of the young males end up as Veal while most of the rest end up as Steers who live a short life before off to the slaughter house they go as well.
CarlosFerreira wrote:Makes sense. I don't know about specific diets, but I believe methane emissions real not that much different whatever the function of the cow.
Also, if the tax is applied over total emissions over the cow's life a diary cow, with it's longer life, probably passes on more gas
Thanks to special bacteria in their stomachs, kangaroos' flatulence contains no methane and scientists want to transfer that bacteria to cattle and sheep who emit large quantities of the harmful gas.
While the usual image of greenhouse gas pollution is a billowing smokestack pushing out carbon dioxide, livestock passing wind contribute a surprisingly high percentage of total emissions in some countries.
Queensland Government senior research scientist Athol Klieve says 14 per cent of emissions from all sources in Australia are from enteric methane from cattle and sheep. "If you look at another country such as New Zealand, which has got a much higher agricultural base, they're actually up around 50 per cent," he said.
Hungry for a kanga-burger? Replacing beef and mutton with kangaroo meat could significantly cut down on ruminant livestock emissions, according to a new report commissioned by the Australian government. Bovine belching is a massive source of methane emissions. But while a single cow can produce 300 to 500 liters of methane gas per day— enough to inflate 80 party balloons—kangaroos produce almost none. In other words, if cattle were Hummers, kangaroos would be Priuses.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
GIVE up lamb roasts and save the planet. Government advisers are developing menus to combat climate change by cutting out “high carbon” food such as meat from sheep, whose burping poses a serious threat to the environment.
Out will go kebabs, greenhouse tomatoes and alcohol. Instead, diners will be encouraged to consume more potatoes and seasonal vegetables, as well as pork and chicken, which generate fewer carbon emissions.
“Changing our lifestyles, including our diets, is going to be one of the crucial elements in cutting carbon emissions,” said David Kennedy, chief executive of the Committee on Climate Change.
Kennedy has stopped eating his favourite doner kebabs because they contain lamb.
A government-sponsored study into greenhouse gases found that producing 2.2lb of lamb released the equivalent of 37lb of carbon dioxide.
The problem is because sheep burp so much methane, a potent greenhouse gas. Cows are only slightly better behaved. The production of 2.2lb of beef releases methane equivalent to 35lb of CO2 Tomatoes, most of which are grown in heated glasshouses, are the most “carbon-intensive” vegetable, each 2.2lb generating more than 20lb of CO2 Potatoes, in contrast, release only about 1lb of CO2 for each 2.2lb of food. The figures are similar for most other native fruit and vegetables.
“We are not saying that everyone should become vegetarian or give up drinking but moving towards less carbon intensive foods will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and improve health,” said Kennedy.
The climate committee is analysing emissions from farming and will suggest measures to reduce them. However, it has concluded that people will have to change their habits.
Alcoholic drinks are another significant contributory factor, with the growing and processing of crops such as hops and malt into beer and whisky helping to generate 1.5% of the nation’s greenhouse gases.
The Carbon Trust, a government-funded firm, is working with food and drink companies to calculate the “carbon footprints” of products - sometimes with surprising results.
Coca-Cola, for example, generates only about half the greenhouse gas emissions of Innocent’s “smoothies”. Cadbury’s chocolate generates about 4½lb for every 2.2lb eaten - less than half that from theof CO2 same weight of chicken.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 350237.ece
The figures are similar for most other native fruit and vegetables.
Sixstrings wrote:GIVE up lamb roasts and save the planet. Government advisers are developing menus to combat climate change by cutting out “high carbon” food such as meat from sheep, whose burping poses a serious threat to the environment.
Out will go kebabs, greenhouse tomatoes and alcohol. Instead, diners will be encouraged to consume more potatoes and seasonal vegetables, as well as pork and chicken, which generate fewer carbon emissions.
“Changing our lifestyles, including our diets, is going to be one of the crucial elements in cutting carbon emissions,” said David Kennedy, chief executive of the Committee on Climate Change.
Kennedy has stopped eating his favourite doner kebabs because they contain lamb.
A government-sponsored study into greenhouse gases found that producing 2.2lb of lamb released the equivalent of 37lb of carbon dioxide.
The problem is because sheep burp so much methane, a potent greenhouse gas. Cows are only slightly better behaved. The production of 2.2lb of beef releases methane equivalent to 35lb of CO2 Tomatoes, most of which are grown in heated glasshouses, are the most “carbon-intensive” vegetable, each 2.2lb generating more than 20lb of CO2 Potatoes, in contrast, release only about 1lb of CO2 for each 2.2lb of food. The figures are similar for most other native fruit and vegetables.
“We are not saying that everyone should become vegetarian or give up drinking but moving towards less carbon intensive foods will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and improve health,” said Kennedy.
The climate committee is analysing emissions from farming and will suggest measures to reduce them. However, it has concluded that people will have to change their habits.
Alcoholic drinks are another significant contributory factor, with the growing and processing of crops such as hops and malt into beer and whisky helping to generate 1.5% of the nation’s greenhouse gases.
The Carbon Trust, a government-funded firm, is working with food and drink companies to calculate the “carbon footprints” of products - sometimes with surprising results.
Coca-Cola, for example, generates only about half the greenhouse gas emissions of Innocent’s “smoothies”. Cadbury’s chocolate generates about 4½lb for every 2.2lb eaten - less than half that from theof CO2 same weight of chicken.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 350237.ece
Ok.. so in order to save Planet Earth we can't eat lamb because sheep burp too much (I'm not making this up) and we can't drink beer anymore because hops have too big of a carbon footprint.
To the Britons on the forum.. is this for real? Do you guys over there really take this seriously?
ForlornHope wrote:If true, too little too late. From my reading, the U.K. is in serious overshoot to the tune of about 40 million people. Not to mention almost complete loss of insular biodiversity. Although my ancestors originally hailed from England, and there's still family over there, it's not where I'd want to try and ride out the upcoming dieoff.
Cheers
Forlorn Hope
Let's face it, Great Britian is an overpopulated ISLAND.
DefiledEngine wrote:Let's face it, Great Britian is an overpopulated ISLAND.
Right next to Europe, the most overpopulated continent. Things are looking up.
Sixstrings wrote:Alcoholic drinks are another significant contributory factor, with the growing and processing of crops such as hops and malt into beer and whisky helping to generate 1.5% of the nation’s greenhouse gases.
meemoe_uk wrote:I find It's always comforting to read the comments on these AGW articles. If your looking for raw data on what the population thinks of the AGW movement, this is pretty good start. >75% thinks AGW is insane.
Here's a small fraction of them...
"Oh give me a break!!! Potatoes? Tomatoes? It strains credulity. This earth is millions of years old and has had ice ages and warming trends that are cyclical. I find it extremely hard to believe that in only +/- 200 years since the industrial revolution that we tiny humans could destroy the earth!"
PCTRKTS, Riverside, USA
"i AM SICK TO DEATH OF THESE NUT CASES. ANYONE WITH AN OUNCE OF BRAINS KNOWS EVERYONE EMITS CARBON DIOXIDE WHEN THEY BREATHE. tHEY SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT IS ONE THING THAT KEEPS PLANTS ALIVE. WHAT'S UP?"
MARY MOORE, Eugene, U.S.A.
"I've clearly been unconscious. At what point did being an absolute idiot qualify someone to determine the path of mankind?"
Randy, Santa Barbara,
"Ridiculous, The CO2, the sheep burped came from grass which absorbed the CO2 from the atmosphere and if the sheep did not eat the grass it would decay a release the CO2 back. "
Arthur W. Kelly, La Porte, TX, USA
"The UK has collapsed entirely into decadent insanity. No Western nation has fallen further, faster than this once-great land."
Steve Macdonlad, Truro, Canada
"when sheep start eating coal, I will stop eating them"
John, Crawley, England
"What a load of tosh - I'm sick to death of this greenhouse gas and carbon emissions stuff. These people are becoming obsessive.
I'm increasingly inclined to go the other way and ignore everything they come out with........."
Drew, Nottingham,
"Incredible! Someone is actually paying these people with hard to come by tax money to come up with solutions to problems that don't exist! The entire world has gone insane!"
Steve, Niceville, USA
"As the AGW agenda collapses, so the do the greens and their political cronies get more desperate and invent more insane ways to destroy capitalism and globalisation. Increases in Co2, which amounts to 0.04% of the atmosphere, comes after increases in temperature, as proved by analysis of ice cores"
chris, camberley, uk
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