[Ibon]

Otherwise we would see a similar frequency level across many different countries and that is clearly not the case with such high frequency levels in the US.

May I refute your subjectiveness, with stats?

That was interesting and also what Onlooker posted. US appears not to stand out alone in this regard. Thanks for the clarification.

[Apneaman]

planty

" Some "experts" on mass shooters claim only evil white males become mass shooters in the US."

LINK even just one link.

Oh and your link to the so called data chart. They give the source as some Facebook page and a review by a security firm. Sounds real official. And another non source is info-wars, unless cartoons are now an acceptable source. Your standards of evidence are pathetic.

[Hawkcreek]

Just as a thought experiment, what do you think would happen if a law were passed that fined anyone over the age of 18, that was found outside their home, without a firearm in their possession.
Since most mass shootings involve unarmed, defenseless people, would not such a law tend to reduce the number of mass shootings?
I contend that the first couple of years would see a lot of people killed in drunken confrontations, but after that things would settle down to a more peaceful normal.
I go to gun shows fairly frequently, and feel perfectly safe. When everyone has a weapon, the sound of a shot has everyone locating their pistol, not looking for a hiding place.
Should not adults be willing to put up with a certain amount of inconvenience as part of accepting responsibility for their own safety? Or should we just say we need more restrictive laws, more mental health exams, and more police?

[Apneaman]

Hawkcreek, you need to move to Kennesaw GA, you'll fit right in. Maybe y'all should start shoving small calibers into pregnant women so the babies will come out well adjusted like daddy.



How Mass Shooters Get Their Guns

Here are the origins of every gun used in the high-profile massacres of Obama’s presidency.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... _guns.html

[Hawkcreek]

Hawkcreek, you need to move to Kennesaw GA, you'll fit right in. Maybe y'all should start shoving small calibers into pregnant women so the babies will come out well adjusted like daddy.

I was asking a serious question. Sometimes problems have solutions that are not considered palatable by some (or many), but should those possible solutions never be spoken of?
If you only consider the solutions that give you a warm fuzzy feeling, you may miss a solution that may work better than you think. And the warm fuzzy answers don't seem to be working too well right now, are they.

[Cog]

@Hawkcreek

Before we go with requiring every person to be armed, we need to fix the laws that effectively disarm people. In several states, mostly clustered on the east coast, the may issue standard is essentially no issue with regards to conceal carry. You can only get a permit if you are politically connected. Aren't Marylanders entitled to the same right to conceal carry that I have in Illinois and almost every southern and Midwestern state? And while I am on that topic, where in the world did we come up with the idea that we need a permit to exercise a right?

Constitutional carry should be the law in all 50 states.

[Apneaman]

Hawkcreek, I wasn't kidding about Kennesaw GA. I lived one town over for a number of years.

Inside the Georgia Town Where Guns Are the Law


"In Kennesaw, Georgia, a good citizen is an armed citizen. In 1982, a law was passed that required each head of household to own a working firearm with ammunition. Nicolas Lévesque is a Canadian photographer and filmmaker who profiled the small town and captured the sweeping reality of gun ownership among its residents. "It's just like a tool," a Kennesaw police officer says in this short documentary. "You know, firearms are part of our culture," another resident says. "They're not dangerous, it's the people that get them that are dangerous."


http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/ ... s-are-law/


Shooter Injures Six In Georgia Town Where Everyone Is Required To Own A Gun

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/0 ... own-a-gun/

[Cog]

Owning a gun is not the same thing as carrying one daily.

[Cog]

So Obama wants us to be like Australia and the UK. What that effectively means is confiscation because that is what happened in those two countries.

Think about this for a moment.

"it's impossible to deport 11 million illegal immigrants." Democrats

"I want to confiscate 300 million firearms." Democrats

[SeaGypsy]

Australia is way less uptight than the UK about guns. If you pass a police check & haven't had a psychiatric notification, you can get a bolt action or cantilever permit, after several years professional use you can own repeater rifles & keep them at home, but repeater pistols are law enforcement only outside of club grounds.

(There are more guns in Australia now than before the Howard reforms/ Port Arthur massacre, & far more permits have been issued than guns collected in amnesty.)

[Cog]

wow a whole bolt action rifle. what a thrilling thing to have.

[yellowcanoe]

wow a whole bolt action rifle. what a thrilling thing to have.

Quite adequate for hunting which is the only legitimate use for a gun anyways.

[Subjectivist]

wow a whole bolt action rifle. what a thrilling thing to have.

Quite adequate for hunting which is the only legitimate use for a gun anyways.

You do not believe self defence is a legitimate act?

[dinopello]

wow a whole bolt action rifle. what a thrilling thing to have.

Quite adequate for hunting which is the only legitimate use for a gun anyways.

You do not believe self defence is a legitimate act?

I always carry for self-defense, ever since I was born. Two pieces attached to my wrists and the thing on my neck and if I've stretched properly, the big things attached to my ankles.

[Cog]

the 2nd amendment to the Constitution does not protect the right to hunt.

[AgentR11]

wow a whole bolt action rifle. what a thrilling thing to have.

Don't knock it. Its an extremely effective weapon, especially for militia purposes. Not terribly good for modern, high speed, offensive infantry battles; but feeding militia into that environment is like throwing scrap into a grinder, regardless of what rifle they drag around. No, with militia, you want, one aimed shot with ~3k fps AP, one passing shot, and then flee and regroup. 30-06, 7mm mag, very common US hunting rifles; right bullet and anything short of that massively heavy armor with the thick plates might as well not even exist.

I don't think there need be any more laws about guns though. Strict enforcement of the ones on the book would do far more to reduce the number of people killed in crimes. Course... that requires money. Drooling on a piece of paper and then passing it in congress is cheap (and does nothing but look good in the media).

[AgentR11]

I always carry for self-defense, ever since I was born. Two pieces attached to my wrists and the thing on my neck and if I've stretched properly, the big things attached to my ankles.

Ok, say you're fit and have several years of full contact martial arts or boxing.. great.

Now imagine you're the bad guy and your target is Suzy Homemaker. Is it fair the she has no possibility of self defense because the law has removed the tool that allows her to be your equal? Maybe she still loses with the firearm, allows you to get to close, whatever; but without, her odds would be zilch.

[dinopello]

I always carry for self-defense, ever since I was born. Two pieces attached to my wrists and the thing on my neck and if I've stretched properly, the big things attached to my ankles.

Ok, say you're fit and have several years of full contact martial arts or boxing.. great.

Now imagine you're the bad guy and your target is Suzy Homemaker. Is it fair the she has no possibility of self defense because the law has removed the tool that allows her to be your equal? Maybe she still loses with the firearm, allows you to get to close, whatever; but without, her odds would be zilch.

Funny you talk about odds. What are the odds ?

Whatever, Suzy can carry a bazooka for all I care and drive a tank. People who are that scared of life all the time should do whatever gets them through the day.

[Ibon]

Can we get back to the topic of the thread and what is behind these mass shootings? A friend of mine mentioned that some may be motivated as a way to achieve cyberspace immortality. Often these mass shooters have a more developed on line identity than their physical organic real selves. This allows them the fantasy to imagine their fame once they are killed, all the millions of hits, everyone gets to read their manifestos, all their on line friends will spend a brief time analyzing and talking about you.

This appeals to a certain alienated segment of the mentally ill population.

These are America's suicide bombers.

[Lore]

Can we get back to the topic of the thread and what is behind these mass shootings? A friend of mine mentioned that some may be motivated as a way to achieve cyberspace immortality. Often these mass shooters have a more developed on line identity than their physical organic real selves. This allows them the fantasy to imagine their fame once they are killed, all the millions of hits, everyone gets to read their manifestos, all their on line friends will spend a brief time analyzing and talking about you.

This appeals to a certain alienated segment of the mentally ill population.

These are America's suicide bombers.

In this case it sounds like simple vengeance for his perception of being abandoned. He really didn't spend a lot of time building a cause. More a lash out from the internal conflict of a sick mind.