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Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 16:32:44

For six decades, Americans have tended to drive more every year. But in the middle of the last decade, the number of miles driven — both over all and per capita — began to drop, notes a report to be published on Tuesday by U.S. Pirg, a nonprofit advocacy organization.

People tend to drive less during recessions, since fewer people are working (and commuting), and most are looking for ways to save money. But Phineas Baxandall, an author of the report and senior analyst for U.S. Pirg, said the changes preceded the recent recession and appeared to be part of a structural shift that is largely rooted in changing demographics, especially the rise of so-called millennials — today’s teenagers and twentysomethings. “Millennials aren’t driving cars,” he said.

In fact, younger people are less likely to drive — or even to have driver’s licenses — than past generations for whom driving was a birthright and the open road a symbol of freedom. Research by Michael Sivak of the Transportation Research Institute at the University of Michigan found that young people are getting driver’s licenses in smaller numbers than previous generations.

Online life might have something to do with the change, he suggested. “A higher proportion of Internet users was associated with a lower licensure rate,” he wrote in a recent study. “This finding is consistent with the hypothesis that access to virtual contact reduces the need for actual contact among young people.”

Baby boomers, too, are aging out of the daily work force and need to commute less. If the decline continues, the U.S. Pirg report states, driving could remain below its 2007 peak through 2040, even though the population is expected to grow by 21 percent.

Charlotte, whose success as a financial center has helped its population grow toward 800,000, takes transit seriously, said David Howard, a member of the City Council and chairman of its transportation and planning committee. The city tries to channel growth into manageable areas, he said, by filling in the urban core with new development and encouraging new construction along major transportation corridors, including an expanding rail line. “It didn’t happen by mistake,” he said.

The rail line was projected to reach a ridership of 12,000 people within 7 to 10 years; it hit that level in the first month and a half, he said. President Obama has nominated the city’s mayor, Anthony R. Foxx, to be the next transportation secretary.

The drop-off in driving is already having wide-reaching effects across the country. It means that gasoline taxes, which help finance transportation investment, are bringing in less revenue. The U.S. Pirg report suggests that the nation’s shift in driving trends calls for a change in the things the nation spends that money on. “When dollars are so scarce, we need to be sure we’re not building highways that aren’t really needed — especially if doing so means neglecting repairs of existing highways, and neglecting to build transit projects when transit ridership is soaring,” Mr. Baxandall said.
Young Americans Lead Trend to Less Driving

Americans are driving less than they used to because of higher gasoline prices, a weak economy and changing generational preferences, according to a report released Tuesday that found a sixty-year "driving boom" had hit the brakes.

The researchers said car use is likely to decline further as members of the Millennial generation, now in their teens to early 30s, move into cities and rely more on public transportation, while car-loving baby boomers age out of their "peak driving" years. People aged 16 to 34 racked up 23 percent less mileage in 2009 than in 2001, the study said, demonstrating a greater decline in driving than for any other age group.

"This is a new direction - a real break, a real change, the study's co-author, Phineas Baxandall, an analyst at the U.S. PIRG, said in a briefing on Tuesday. "After 2004, on per capita basis, driving has gone down, and the number of vehicle-miles driven has also gone down each year since 2004." This trend is reflected in vehicle ownership, which has decreased by 4 percent between the all-time high of 1.24 vehicles per driver in 2006 and now. The percentage of driving-age Americans with licenses also fell to a 30-year low of 86 percent in 2011 from an all-time high of 90 percent in 1992.

The study noted that cycling, walking, light rail and other alternative methods of transportation have gained popularity in recent years: In 2011, Americans took nearly 10 percent more trips via public transportation than they had in 2005.

Young Americans in their late teens and 20's are less enthralled with the automobile than prior generations and are seen as regarding high-tech devices, including tablet computers and smartphones, as more important status symbols than cars.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 16:38:14

k - "Young Americans in their late teens and 20's are less enthralled with the automobile than prior generations.." There was an old TV ad promoting tourism in Texas: "Come to Texas...it's a whole nuther country". And never more true today with respect to autos. Last I heard p/u truck and SUV sales were booming.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 16:55:36

The love affair with the car is dying, but not through choice. In effect, cars are dumping us, because their designers and manufacturers refuse to change to suit the new peak oil dynamic. The latest cars are all super heavy (over 2 ton) monstrosities that only pretend to be more efficient.

Younger people simply cannot see going into a 5 year contract that puts them $20,000 or more in debt to own a 2-ton monster that costs them another $10,000 per year to run. Heck, I'm 50 and I can't understand it either. Owning a car in today's economy, especially for anyone who has the ability to live a mile or two from work, is just insane. Motorists may as well flush $10 down the toilet every time they take a whiz. And all for a fantasy of 'Happy Motoring' that hasn't been a reality for at least 60 years (if it ever was). It's retarded.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 18:01:42

We must be... last drive by our high school's student parking lot, there were more than plenty of cars and trucks parked there.

I do suspect their driven miles per kid is down though.

On the cost thing, who gives their kids new cars to wreck anyway? The first car my kid's getting is a 15 year old hand-me-down minivan; well cared for and runs fine, but none the less, 15 years old. If (when?) she wrecks that one, I'll replace it with a $2,000 - $3000 10-15 yr old used beater. Certainly, there's no getting around the cost per mile of gas, tires, maintenance, etc, but for kids driving a couple thousand miles a year, that's still only about $1-2k or so/yr; and certainly no where near $10,000. Heck, my truck that I use for business/work doesn't cost me $10,000 / yr. Its a 1994 Ranger. Runs like a champ.

The above should not be construed as support for "happy motoring"; I hate driving with a passion. But there's no need to overstate the expense either. Price of gas is not the reason for any youth loss of interest. Its the net. For many, a choice between a beater vehicle and an awesome phone and/or tablet is a slam dunk choice, and the vehicle is not even in the running.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 19:11:29

Are you sure you're calculating the full costs?

http://commutesolutions.org/external/calc.html

And I think that may be only running costs - I'm not sure that calculator includes the purchase of the car itself.

According to the AAA, the average person spends $9,641 per year for the privilege of driving.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/pf ... ership.asp

Of course, it all depends on how long your commute is and how often you commute, what sort of car and how well you maintain it. But in terms of the average Joe...

I just don't buy the idea that cost doesn't come into it, and I don't buy the phone vs. car thing either - and even if I did, that is still a sort of Sophie's choice that's being forced on kids due to high motoring costs.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby PeakOiler » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 19:29:10

I will retire from my job in Austin in 26 months! (Hopefully--keeping fingers crossed that nothing bad happens, like getting laid off...)

My five-day/wk, >92 mile/day round trip commute from hell will come to an end! :-D

I just hope the 2003 Honda Insight will last two more years. I think the main battery may need to be replaced in about 40k miles. That will be a $3-4 k expense!, but I think it may be worth it. (Lifetime mpg still ~55 mpg). With over 230 k miles on it, the motor may also fail soon. :(

But it's true, this late baby boomer's "miles driven per year" will plummet!

YTD I've spent $684.55 on gasoline for 213.994 gallons, and that includes the F-150, and a tractor mower.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Beery1 » Thu 06 Jun 2013, 21:03:50

PeakOiler wrote:My five-day/wk, >92 mile/day round trip commute from hell will come to an end! :-D


Holy Jeez! Your yearly cost according to the calculator link I posted earlier is $33,000!
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 07 Jun 2013, 00:09:41

Inevitable given 250 million passenger vehicles for a population of more than 300 million, driven by incredible levels of debt and spending.

The problem is that the same "love affair" had been growing elsewhere.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby PeakOiler » Fri 07 Jun 2013, 05:38:22

Beery1 wrote:
PeakOiler wrote:My five-day/wk, >92 mile/day round trip commute from hell will come to an end! :-D


Holy Jeez! Your yearly cost according to the calculator link I posted earlier is $33,000!


No, Beery, that's not correct. Not even close. I already posted that my gas cost YTD is $684. How did you get $33,000???! Insurance is the next largest expense at $573, then twice-a-year oil changes about $30 each, then the annual license fee about $60, and annual inspection about $15. I don't pay any parking fees, and a lot of those other expenses are not applicable, (such as interest since the car is paid for.)

I guess I need to update my TCO (total cost of ownership) for the Honda.

There seems to be something seriously wrong with that calculator.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 08 Jun 2013, 09:35:06

OK. I updated my Honda Insight TCO spreadsheet.

Here are the totals since 7/23/03:
Vehicle Cost: $20,937.96
Interest: $2,324.91
Insurance: $6,272.11
Maintenance: $10,956.42
Gasoline: $11,045.35
License Fees and Taxes: $1,754.05
Inspection and Emission Tests: $69.75

YTD TCO: $53,360.55
Cost per day: $14.79
Cost per mile: $0.23
Total miles as of 6/8/13: 229,339 (Above I incorrectly wrote that I had over 230k miles. Oops.)

Later in the spreadsheet I combined the Inspection costs in with the Maintenance costs, that's why the Inspection fees given above is a small amount.

Here's the pie chart:

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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Loki » Sun 09 Jun 2013, 21:27:53

Agent wrote:For many, a choice between a beater vehicle and an awesome phone and/or tablet is a slam dunk choice, and the vehicle is not even in the running.

Certainly a factor. I'm Gen X, had a couple motorcycles after graduating high school, but didn't buy my first car until age 26 or so, a beater paid for in cash with the $1000 I inherited when my grandmother died. If I was 26 right now and suddenly found $1000 burning in my pocket, I might very well buy some electronic gadgets instead, or put the money towards an internet connection. Internet was primitive back then (late 1990s), porn took forever to download, barely worth the bother, a car was more fun.

I think the shift away from car culture started with Gen X, but our numbers are small relative to the Millennials and Boomers, so they get more of the focus. It's certainly a long-term trend, but the slope has been gradual. It's also been very geographically uneven, urban areas moving away from car culture while rural areas still embrace it. Big truck culture in my corner of rural Oregon is alive and well. Living without a vehicle around here would be very isolating, but it wasn't a big deal when I lived in Portland (a fairly walkable city with a decent public transportation system).


Beery wrote:According to the AAA, the average person spends $9,641 per year for the privilege of driving.

As far as I can tell based on my spreadsheet records, I'm currently paying ~$2900/year for my old Ranger and little motorcycle. That includes everything, including replacement cost, and it assumes $4/gal gas. I own both vehicles outright (paid cash) and only have liability on the truck. Do most of the repair/maintenance work myself on the truck, and all the work on the motorcycle. I don't commute but I do live in a rural area so I have to drive to the grocery store, library, and all the other places I go, roughly 4000 miles/year spread out between both vehicles.

This doesn't include taxes that go towards road maintenance and other car-related infrastructure, but I'd pay this regardless of whether I owned a car or not.

I'm not necessarily the “average American,” though. I can see how some folks spend $10k+/yr on their vehicles. Buying too much SUV (on credit of course) that sucks too much gas while commuting too far and maintaining too much insurance coverage could easily exceed $10k.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Lore » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 09:38:46

Welcome to the virtual world. Where we all can forgo wheels to meet each other face-to-face to debate and gather here under pseudo names at Peak Oil.

Millennials don't need to drive and physically meet their girlfriends or boyfriends these days. They've got hundreds of Facebook friends. Besides, all the fast and sexy autos start out at around 50G, which is pretty hard to get a loan for when you only work part time at Home Depot.

Which of their peers really cares that they're still single living at home, borrowing mom's mini van when they absolutely must drive somewhere. Why stand the chance of meeting only to show how socially inept you are in real life when you can hide behind a really cool tweet.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby dinopello » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 15:50:32

Lore wrote:Welcome to the virtual world. Where we all can forgo wheels to meet each other face-to-face to debate and gather here under pseudo names at Peak Oil.


There's still a desire among people to be around others physically if only to sit in the same coffee shop and tap on glowing screens. I think this is why we have Millennials living in one bedroom apartments that rent for close to $3000/month where I live. BTW, each millennial doesn't always pay the 3K, they shack up 3 to a one bedroom. Which, makes it even more likely they don't have a car as the apartments built here have at most one space per unit allocated (which you have to pay extra for) so they would have nowhere to park.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 16:08:55

Car love is being strangled by fuel prices. As a friend of mine in Newcastle on Tyne told me yesterday, Europeans have a hard time grasping how spread out everyone in North America is. He figured Calgary wasn't far from the Pacific because it is in western Alberta. I gently pointed out that 500 miles of he tallest mountains in North America are between Calgary and the coastline. A lot of countries in Europe are not 500 miles wide at their longest axis but British Columbia is just one Canadian Province and it is even further north to south than it is east to west.

I love being able to travle in my old car, but I don't do it nearly as often with fuel at these prices. Very little of North America even comes close to European levels of population density. The island of Great Britain has a quarter the population of the US, but it would only overlap a few states if you use maps of the same scale.
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Unread postby yellowcanoe » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 16:34:08

Subjectivist wrote:Car love is being strangled by fuel prices. As a friend of mine in Newcastle on Tyne told me yesterday, Europeans have a hard time grasping how spread out everyone in North America is. He figured Calgary wasn't far from the Pacific because it is in western Alberta. I gently pointed out that 500 miles of he tallest mountains in North America are between Calgary and the coastline. A lot of countries in Europe are not 500 miles wide at their longest axis but British Columbia is just one Canadian Province and it is even further north to south than it is east to west.


Reminds of the joke about the British family who write to their relatives in Vancouver, "Our son is sailing to Canada. Can you meet him when his ship docks in Halifax?". The relatives write back, "Why don't you meet him there? You are closer to Halifax than we are!".
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Subjectivist » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 17:33:58

http://www.chacha.com/question/how-many ... at-britain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U. ... es_by_area

Well look at that, the entire island of Great Britain just a little larger than the state of Minnesotta. Ten of the fifty states are larger, some of them like California, Alaska and Texas by huge multiple times. You could fit almost three GB in Texas, and over nine in Alaska. For Canada British Columbia alone is twice the size of GB and Quebec is six times the area.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 18:09:45

Hell...the love affair with cars died a long time ago in Texas. We just luv them pickup trucks. Especially the 4WD with V8's. LOL.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby Lore » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 19:01:23

ROCKMAN wrote:Hell...the love affair with cars died a long time ago in Texas. We just luv them pickup trucks. Especially the 4WD with V8's. LOL.


The auto makers love selling them too. They make much more money off of selling trucks then passenger cars to all the dudes that think it's cool to own some jacked up 4WD gas guzzling hauler to go to the Burger King in. Another lesson in conspicuous consumption.
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Re: Is the American love affair with the car dying?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 27 Mar 2014, 22:41:33

Lore - You might be surprised to know how many duddettes drive pu's down here. And a lot more luv their BAS's. (Big Ass Suburban).
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